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post Aug 27 2012, 07:12 AM
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Hi guys !

I don't know why, but I really needed to share this story with you. smile.gif

Yesterday, like everyday, I was listening to my music and I got a strange feeling... Just like when you discover that, for example, you were reading someone's name wrong for many years... Well thats kind of what happened yesterday. I was listening to Mirror Mirror, on my Blind Guardian playlist, and there was like an unusual sound, something I've "never" never heard of before.

During the chorus, there is a strange bends, that my ears never "heard" about laugh.gif I've listened to this song more than 100 times, but I've never heard about those bends. And from now, the chorus gives me goosebumps, it's amazing. Its strange to listen to the same song "differently".

By the way, I don't know if you guys know that band, but what is this song tuned in ? I really need to play it. The medieval feeling in this song is amazing. If only I could create a band.. rolleyes.gif

Am I the only one who had a different perspective of something like that ? I'm curious ! biggrin.gif


Here is the song. Chorus at 1:04 smile.gif Enjoy !


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post Aug 27 2012, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (Pourliver @ Aug 27 2012, 07:12 AM) *
Hi guys !

I don't know why, but I really needed to share this story with you. smile.gif

Yesterday, like everyday, I was listening to my music and I got a strange feeling... Just like when you discover that, for example, you were reading someone's name wrong for many years... Well thats kind of what happened yesterday. I was listening to Mirror Mirror, on my Blind Guardian playlist, and there was like an unusual sound, something I've "never" never heard of before.

During the chorus, there is a strange bends, that my ears never "heard" about laugh.gif I've listened to this song more than 100 times, but I've never heard about those bends. And from now, the chorus gives me goosebumps, it's amazing. Its strange to listen to the same song "differently".

By the way, I don't know if you guys know that band, but what is this song tuned in ? I really need to play it. The medieval feeling in this song is amazing. If only I could create a band.. rolleyes.gif

Am I the only one who had a different perspective of something like that ? I'm curious ! biggrin.gif


Here is the song. Chorus at 1:04 smile.gif Enjoy !


That is a totally wicked song for sure ! smile.gif

Well, we all know who the right person to ask is... but to me it sounds standard tuning and in the key of A smile.gif


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post Aug 27 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 27 2012, 09:28 AM) *
That is a totally wicked song for sure ! smile.gif

Well, we all know who the right person to ask is... but to me it sounds standard tuning and in the key of A smile.gif


Its in D sharp, like most of the blind guardian songs untill the "A twist in the Myth" album.


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post Aug 27 2012, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (SCProphet @ Aug 27 2012, 10:36 AM) *
Its in D sharp, like most of the blind guardian songs untill the "A twist in the Myth" album.


Ok, well I'm definitely hearing the chords A5, G5, A5 ,B5 ,C5...


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post Aug 27 2012, 12:55 PM
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All our guitars are tuned half a step down, so we are talking about the D# tuning. Well, there is one exception, on our debut album we still used the standard tuning, but ever since Follow the blind we are tuned down. And by the way you made me very curious about this bend that you discovered... I don't know how many times we have played this song so far, and still I have no idea what the hell you are talking about smile.gif Maybe I should listen to the studio version for a change and rediscover it myself wink.gif


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post Aug 27 2012, 01:40 PM
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Yeah, that's why Follow The Blind's your best album,it's played in standard tuning!









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I was always curious what made you guys change direction after that album? I guess most German bands were speed/tharshy at that time (sodom, running wild, kreator) , and was that growing up musically or something else? smile.gif
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You received the feedback of one of the guys playing there! GMC is awesome. biggrin.gif

I love this track and it's with Nightfall two of my favorite songs by BG. Are you talking about the only lead guitar that appears in the chorus? I hear a rhythm guitar and another one playing single notes (some of them seam to be bends).


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post Aug 27 2012, 05:24 PM
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Follow was already tuned down Slavenko wink.gif About why we changed... well, I would not call it "change", I would call it "development". Seriously, it would be incredibly boring for us to play the same stuff over and over again, we would have split long ago. When we did Battalions and Follow this is what we could play, what we could compose and what we wanted to do. But over the years we got better, as musicians, as songwriters, we discovered new influences and we just wanted to take our music to the next level. It doesn't mean that we don't stand behind what we have been doing back then, we absolutely do and I wouldn't change a thing, but as I said, progression and development is something very important in my opinion. We also didn't do a second Somewhere, a second Imaginations or a second Nightfall, this is not what we want to do. We do something once and then we want to move on.


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post Aug 27 2012, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Aug 27 2012, 11:55 AM) *
All our guitars are tuned half a step down, so we are talking about the D# tuning. Well, there is one exception, on our debut album we still used the standard tuning, but ever since Follow the blind we are tuned down. And by the way you made me very curious about this bend that you discovered... I don't know how many times we have played this song so far, and still I have no idea what the hell you are talking about smile.gif Maybe I should listen to the studio version for a change and rediscover it myself wink.gif


And nobody told me that Marcus Siepen was on the forum o.O Wow... thats amazing ! ohmy.gif

Well, there is one at 1:05 and 1:10.. My ears skipped that sound / note before. smile.gif

Thanks a lot for the tuning, I thought it was in standard. smile.gif

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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Aug 27 2012, 12:55 PM) *
All our guitars are tuned half a step down, so we are talking about the D# tuning. Well, there is one exception, on our debut album we still used the standard tuning, but ever since Follow the blind we are tuned down. And by the way you made me very curious about this bend that you discovered... I don't know how many times we have played this song so far, and still I have no idea what the hell you are talking about smile.gif Maybe I should listen to the studio version for a change and rediscover it myself wink.gif


I'm still a bit confused as my guitar is in standard and I made sure it was in tune with the tuner but those chords seemed to correspond with those chords I wrote above...?? Maybe the Youtuber slightly changed the pitch of the video, that would make sense smile.gif


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post Sep 5 2012, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 28 2012, 09:50 AM) *
I'm still a bit confused as my guitar is in standard and I made sure it was in tune with the tuner but those chords seemed to correspond with those chords I wrote above...?? Maybe the Youtuber slightly changed the pitch of the video, that would make sense smile.gif



And the chords you mentioned above are wrong wink.gif


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 5 2012, 10:57 AM) *
And the chords you mentioned above are wrong wink.gif


Ah ok !! smile.gif Please put me out of my torment.. what are they ?? smile.gif


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The chorus is A#/G#/D#/F#/G#, repeat those ones 4 times and there you go wink.gif Since our guitars are tuned down it actually sounds like A/G/D/F/G of course, but this is what we are really playing.


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 5 2012, 11:35 AM) *
The chorus is A#/G#/D#/F#/G#, repeat those ones 4 times and there you go wink.gif Since our guitars are tuned down it actually sounds like A/G/D/F/G of course, but this is what we are really playing.


Ah I see.. so you are tuned down to Eb and you are playing the chord positions that would be A# etc if it were standard tuning. The notes themselves would still be A/G/D/F/G but the positions that the chords are played in look like A#/G# etc.. cool I get it now. It's easy to get confused with this stuff ! biggrin.gif

That explains why I heard the tonalities of A,G etc it's just the chord positions that look different. At least I know my tuner isn't broken now !! (I hope !)

The chords I write down were for the intro riff sequence, before the guitar harmonies kick in smile.gif


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Don't worry, your tuner is fine smile.gif I know this can be very confusing, but yeah, it is exactly as you described it, I am playing a A# chord, but you are hearing an A. Actually when we talk about what we are playing we ALWAYS refer to standard tuning, so when I play an A, but actually you are hearing a G#, we still call it A smile.gif We are way too lazy to think "oh wait, I am playing an A, but since my guitar is tuned down it is no A, it is a G# now"... it stays an A, simple as that smile.gif


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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 5 2012, 04:05 PM) *
Don't worry, your tuner is fine smile.gif I know this can be very confusing, but yeah, it is exactly as you described it, I am playing a A# chord, but you are hearing an A. Actually when we talk about what we are playing we ALWAYS refer to standard tuning, so when I play an A, but actually you are hearing a G#, we still call it A smile.gif We are way too lazy to think "oh wait, I am playing an A, but since my guitar is tuned down it is no A, it is a G# now"... it stays an A, simple as that smile.gif


Yep, me too ! I think all us guitarists do that.. no matter what we're tuned to we still call it an A or D if we play it in that position !! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Sep 6 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Yep, me too ! I think all us guitarists do that.. no matter what we're tuned to we still call it an A or D if we play it in that position !! biggrin.gif



It definitely makes life easier wink.gif


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