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post Aug 8 2007, 03:14 PM
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Hey has the Circle of Fifths image disappeared?


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post Aug 8 2007, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Aug 8 2007, 10:14 AM) *
Hey has the Circle of Fifths image disappeared?


Works ok for me ...


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post Aug 9 2007, 12:20 AM
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Oh excellent it does work, sorry I was having internet troubles.


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post Sep 11 2007, 06:37 PM
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wow- only now have i had the patience to sit down and stud this topic- this circle is invaluable!
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post Sep 13 2007, 11:16 AM
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I have been ready Andrew's theory for 3 days now. Just finished the circle and I can't thank Andrew and Kaneda enough. Trying to get all of the formulas down and now the circle, a little overwhlming at first but I am getting this as I go along and re read sections. Great stuff and thanks again ! I actually think I can read a little music after all this too lol tongue.gif


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post Sep 13 2007, 11:34 AM
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i'm dyslexic...so i prefer the circle of fourths...lol
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QUOTE (bart m @ Sep 13 2007, 06:34 AM) *
i'm dyslexic...so i prefer the circle of fourths...lol


That's fine, just go backwards and it will all work out!


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post Dec 25 2007, 02:49 PM
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does the circle also aply to making riffs?
for example i play riff i C and that G or F would be a good candidat?
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post Dec 25 2007, 02:51 PM
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Not really - the circle of 5ths is about relationships between keys and chords, riffs use much closer notes and the Circle won't really help you with that ... although it can help you choose related chords to play under the actual riff.


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Awesome lesson andrew, i spotted a couple of typos:

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Chord Progressions

One final trick from the ever useful circle - it will also quickly show you the subdominant(IV) and dominant(V) chords for a particular key, often used to build progressions. Once again, pick a key (F say) . Look Clockwise for your dominant or V chord © and anti clockwise for your subdominant or IV chord (Bb). These are the 3 most important chords in any key, and the Cricle helps us to easily locate them.


i think you mean a © instead of the copyright symbol biggrin.gif

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One final trick from the ever useful circle - it will also quickly show you the subdominant(IV) and dominant(V) chords for a particular key, often used to build progressions. Once again, pick a key (F say) . Look Clockwise for your dominant or V chord © and anti clockwise for your subdominant or IV chord (Bb). These are the 3 most important chords in any key, and the Cricle helps us to easily locate them.
The Finished Circle
Ok, now we have talked about all the things the circle can do for us, lets put it all together in one big diagram - the GMC Cricle of Fifths!


i think that is supposed to be a subtitle.

Sorry for all the bother Andrew, i know i bother you alot.

I gotta read this great lesson again because im confused about some parts. Thanks for the lesson, the circle is indeed invaluable, i never realised that until now.

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post Feb 10 2008, 01:04 AM
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Hey guys, what would be some easy-to-remember mnemonics for the order of the flats and sharps?

Sharps is: F C G D A E B

Flats: B E A D G C F


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post Apr 7 2008, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Feb 10 2008, 02:04 AM) *
Hey guys, what would be some easy-to-remember mnemonics for the order of the flats and sharps?

Sharps is: F C G D A E B

Flats: B E A D G C F


I'll try to explain the way I see it, sorry if its not exactly clear. Andrew will certainly be able to explain it better, just wanted to try. smile.gif

For the sharps you can say that it starts with an F-sharp when you're in G-major. Then if you're tonic is D-major its both F and C that are sharp. When A-major is the tonic, it is F, C and G that are sharp.

You'll probably see that the pattern of the sharps is actually following the circle of fifths, starting with a sharp F, C, G etc. If you look at the circle, it is also the way of the fifths when moving clockwise. So the order of sharps follow the fifths starting from F-major. Of course you'll have to distinguish between notes and tonics. Meaning that the fact that G-major has a F# doesn't mean, that it has anything to do with the tonic of either F-major or F#-major.

So to sum up the sharps: F C G D A E B (C is marked bold as it is the "starting point" which has no b's or #'s)
Contra the Circle of fifths: F C G D A E B (Still, C is the starting point)

You see, the progress of sharps is the same as the progress of fifths.


As to the flats, they are: B E A D G C F.
Now, it's some sort of the same as with the sharps, only that it's the other way around, and that there are some other differences.
When F-major is the tonic, there is ONE "b", and it is on B. I figure it out by looking at the circle of fifths, seeing that the tonic to the left of F-major is Bb-Major (hence, a "b" for B ), and then when Bb is the tonic, there are TWO "b"s, one for B and one for E. Conveniently the next tonic is Eb, which is indicated by the previous "b" in Bb-major. And so it continues.

I hope this helps you, even though when I come to think of it, it's a very bad explanation. laugh.gif
I do understand it myself, it's just that I'm not good at explaining it to others - especially in writing. smile.gif

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post May 18 2008, 12:07 AM
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Thanks for the CAGED and Circle of Fifths lessons, man. I'm reading, digesting, scratching my head, and kicking myself for not learning this stuff years ago...
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Heh, glad you are enjoying them! Let me know if you have any questions at all smile.gif


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very cool, but i'm just going to have to take baby steps understanding is one thing, memorizing is another wink.gif I got be patient with this Einstein relativity pie =mc2 stuff !
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