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post Sep 11 2012, 05:59 AM
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Hello again! smile.gif
I have a few questions so I know exactly what assignments to give you!
Also I need to know how much time do you have to practice theory!
Theory questions (will help me to get a better idea where to start! )

- Harmonize G major scale
- Build A7 chord
- Write ii - V - I chord progression starting with Cmi7
- D mi7 - Bb - Gmi - F What key this chord progression in?

Looking forward to start working with you!


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post Sep 11 2012, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Sep 11 2012, 04:59 AM) *
Hello again! smile.gif
I have a few questions so I know exactly what assignments to give you!
Also I need to know how much time do you have to practice theory!
Theory questions (will help me to get a better idea where to start! )

- Harmonize G major scale
- Build A7 chord
- Write ii - V - I chord progression starting with Cmi7
- D mi7 - Bb - Gmi - F What key this chord progression in?

Looking forward to start working with you!



-Harmonize G major scale

Gmaj Amin Bmin Cmaj D7 Emin F#dim Gmaj


-Build A7 chord

Formula of a 7th chord is 1 3 5 b7 so it is A C# E G

- Write ii - V - I chord progression starting with Cmi7

It is Cmi7-F7-Bbmaj7

- Dmi7 - Bb - Gmi - F What key this chord progression in?

If we harmonize the F major,we can have these chords so the key must be F for this chord progression!


I have three questions


1)How can I start learning scales?

I mean,for the A pentatonic we typically know it is something like this


E||----------------------5-8
B||------------------5-8----
G||--------------5-7--------
D||----------5-7------------
A||------5-7----------------
E||--5-8--------------------


The thing is there notes all over the fretboard for the A pentatonic and every scale. So how can I use some patterns in order to understand where all notes on the fretboard for each scale are?

2)If we have for example E7 chord on a chord progression can we have another seventh chord on that progression? If yes how? I mean on the G major up there for example we have a D7 chord. What we can use is one of the other ones (Gmaj Amin Bmin Cmaj Emin F#dim) but we can use another seventh?

3)If we have a song whose chord progression starts with a major chord,does that mean that's the key of the song??


Well these are for now! I'm an absolute begginer at theory but I have plenty of time to study!!!

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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Sep 11 2012, 03:08 PM) *
-Harmonize G major scale

Gmaj Amin Bmin Cmaj D7 Emin F#dim Gmaj


-Build A7 chord

Formula of a 7th chord is 1 3 5 b7 so it is A C# E G

- Write ii - V - I chord progression starting with Cmi7

It is Cmi7-F7-Bbmaj7

- Dmi7 - Bb - Gmi - F What key this chord progression in?

If we harmonize the F major,we can have these chords so the key must be F for this chord progression!


I have three questions


1)How can I start learning scales?

I mean,for the A pentatonic we typically know it is something like this


E||----------------------5-8
B||------------------5-8----
G||--------------5-7--------
D||----------5-7------------
A||------5-7----------------
E||--5-8--------------------


The thing is there notes all over the fretboard for the A pentatonic and every scale. So how can I use some patterns in order to understand where all notes on the fretboard for each scale are?

2)If we have for example E7 chord on a chord progression can we have another seventh chord on that progression? If yes how? I mean on the G major up there for example we have a D7 chord. What we can use is one of the other ones (Gmaj Amin Bmin Cmaj Emin F#dim) but we can use another seventh?

3)If we have a song whose chord progression starts with a major chord,does that mean that's the key of the song??


Well these are for now! I'm an absolute begginer at theory but I have plenty of time to study!!!

You did a very good job with the answers!
1) In order to know where each note of the scale is located you have to say out loud each note you are playing
Say for example you are playing A minor pentatonic
Play and say the notes
A - C - D - E - G etc.
Do the first two positions for now and I will give you a very good exercise to combine all of them this method will help you to learn the neck much faster!
2) Yes it is possible to have another 7th chord
A good example will be a standard I - IV - V chord progression Say we are in G chords will be G7 - C7 - D7
Another way you can get it is through melodic and harmonic minors you will have IV7 and V7 chords (This is actually where the blues is coming from but it is another way to look at it! )
Also if you are changing the key the best way is to got through 7th chord of the scale you want to rich
Those three were the first to come in my mind I will try to remember a few more and will let you know!
3) It depends but in most cases yes




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post Sep 12 2012, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Sep 12 2012, 05:20 PM) *
You did a very good job with the answers!
1) In order to know where each note of the scale is located you have to say out loud each note you are playing
Say for example you are playing A minor pentatonic
Play and say the notes
A - C - D - E - G etc.
Do the first two positions for now and I will give you a very good exercise to combine all of them this method will help you to learn the neck much faster!
2) Yes it is possible to have another 7th chord
A good example will be a standard I - IV - V chord progression Say we are in G chords will be G7 - C7 - D7
Another way you can get it is through melodic and harmonic minors you will have IV7 and V7 chords (This is actually where the blues is coming from but it is another way to look at it! )
Also if you are changing the key the best way is to got through 7th chord of the scale you want to rich
Those three were the first to come in my mind I will try to remember a few more and will let you know!
3) It depends but in most cases yes


Wow,really cool man!! biggrin.gif Waiting for next assignment!!!!!!!!
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Sep 12 2012, 09:40 PM) *
Wow,really cool man!! biggrin.gif Waiting for next assignment!!!!!!!!


I have a perfect exercise for you! It will help you to master modes plus will bring your alternative picking to the next level! smile.gif
Modes being used:
F# Locrian - G major - A dorian - B phrygian - C Lydian - D mixolydian - E minor
Here it is!
E ||----------------------------------------------3----|
B ||-------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
G ||o---------------------------2--4--5----------------|
D ||o------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
A ||----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
E ||-2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3---------------------------------------|||---|---|||
--------------7--5--3------------------------------|||---|---|||
-----------------------5--4--2--------------------o|||o--|--o|||
--------------------------------5--4--2-----------o|||o--|--o|||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2---|||---|---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||---|---|||


----------------------------------------------5----|
-------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
-3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------8--7--5------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------7--5--4--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------7--5--4-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------7----|
-------------------------------------7--8--10------|
o---------------------------5--7--9----------------|
o------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
-5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------10-8--7------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------9--7--5--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------9--7--5-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------9--7--5---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------8----|
-------------------------------------8--10-12------|
o---------------------------7--9--11---------------|
o------------------7--9--10------------------------|
----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
-7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8---------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------12-10-8------------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------11-9--7--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------10-9--7-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------10-9--7---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------10---|
-------------------------------------10-12-13------|
o---------------------------9--11-12---------------|
o------------------9--10-12------------------------|
----------9--10-12---------------------------------|
-8--10-12------------------------------------------|


--12-14-12-10--------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------13-12-10-----------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------12-11-9--------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------12-10-9-----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------12-10-9---||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------12---|
-------------------------------------12-13-15------|
o---------------------------11-12-14---------------|
o------------------10-12-14------------------------|
----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
-10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12--------------------------------------||----|----||
--------------15-14-12-----------------------------||----|----||
-----------------------14-12-11-------------------o||----|----||
--------------------------------14-12-10----------o||----|----||
-----------------------------------------14-12-10--||----|----||
---------------------------------------------------||----|----||


----------------------------------------------14---|
-------------------------------------13-15-17------|
o---------------------------12-14-16---------------|
o------------------12-14-16------------------------|
----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
-12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14--------------------------------------||----|----|
--------------17-15-13-----------------------------||----|----|
-----------------------16-14-12-------------------o||----|----|
--------------------------------16-14-12----------o||----|----|
-----------------------------------------15-14-12--||----|----|
---------------------------------------------------||----|----|


-----------------------------------------------14---|
--------------------------------------13-15-17------|
-----------------------------12-14-16---------------|
--------------------12-14-16------------------------|
-----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
--12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14---------------------------------------|
--------------17-15-13------------------------------|
-----------------------16-14-12---------------------|
--------------------------------16-14-12------------|
-----------------------------------------15-14-12---|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------12---|
--------------------------------------12-13-15------|
-----------------------------11-12-14---------------|
--------------------10-12-14------------------------|
-----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
--10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12---------------------------------------|
--------------15-14-12------------------------------|
-----------------------14-12-11---------------------|
--------------------------------14-12-10------------|
-----------------------------------------14-12-10---|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------10---|
--------------------------------------10-12-13------|
-----------------------------9--11-12---------------|
--------------------9--10-12------------------------|
-----------9--10-12---------------------------------|
--8--10-12------------------------------------------|


--12-14-12-10---------------------------------------|
--------------13-12-10------------------------------|
-----------------------12-11-9----------------------|
--------------------------------12-10-9-------------|
-----------------------------------------12-10-9----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------8----|
--------------------------------------8--10-12------|
-----------------------------7--9--11---------------|
--------------------7--9--10------------------------|
-----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
--7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8----------------------------------------|
--------------12-10-8-------------------------------|
-----------------------11-9--7----------------------|
--------------------------------10-9--7-------------|
-----------------------------------------10-9--7----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------7----|
--------------------------------------7--8--10------|
-----------------------------5--7--9----------------|
--------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
-----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
--5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7----------------------------------------|
--------------10-8--7-------------------------------|
-----------------------9--7--5----------------------|
--------------------------------9--7--5-------------|
-----------------------------------------9--7--5----|
----------------------------------------------------|


-----------------------------------------------5----|
--------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
-----------------------------4--5--7----------------|
--------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
-----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
--3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5----------------------------------------||
--------------8--7--5-------------------------------||
-----------------------7--5--4----------------------||
--------------------------------7--5--4-------------||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3----||
----------------------------------------------------||


----------------------------------------------3----|
-------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
o---------------------------2--4--5----------------|
o------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
-2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3---------------------------------------|||
--------------7--5--3------------------------------|||
-----------------------5--4--2--------------------o|||
--------------------------------5--4--2-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------7----|
-------------------------------------7--8--10------|
o---------------------------5--7--9----------------|
o------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
----------5--7--9----------------------------------|
-5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--10-8--7---------------------------------------|||
--------------10-8--7------------------------------|||
-----------------------9--7--5--------------------o|||
--------------------------------9--7--5-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------9--7--5---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------8----|
-------------------------------------8--10-12------|
o---------------------------7--9--11---------------|
o------------------7--9--10------------------------|
----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
-7--8--10------------------------------------------|


--10-12-10-8---------------------------------------|||
--------------12-10-8------------------------------|||
-----------------------11-9--7--------------------o|||
--------------------------------10-9--7-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------10-9--7---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------5----|
-------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
----------3--5--7----------------------------------|
-3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8--7--5---------------------------------------|||
--------------8--7--5------------------------------|||
-----------------------7--5--4--------------------o|||
--------------------------------7--5--4-----------o|||
-----------------------------------------7--5--3---|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------12---|
-------------------------------------12-13-15------|
o---------------------------11-12-14---------------|
o------------------10-12-14------------------------|
----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
-10-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15-14-12--------------------------------------|||
--------------15-13-12-----------------------------|||
-----------------------14-12-11-------------------o|||
--------------------------------14-12-10----------o|||
-----------------------------------------14-12-10--|||
---------------------------------------------------|||


----------------------------------------------14---|
-------------------------------------13-15-17------|
o---------------------------12-14-16---------------|
o------------------12-14-16------------------------|
----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
-12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--15-17-15-14--------------------------------------||
--------------17-15-13-----------------------------||
-----------------------16-14-12-------------------o||
--------------------------------16-14-12----------o||
-----------------------------------------15-14-12--||
---------------------------------------------------||


-----------------------------------------------3----|
--------------------------------------3--5--7-------|
-----------------------------2--4--5----------------|
--------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
-----------2--3--5----------------------------------|
--2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7--5--3----------------------------------------|-------||
--------------7--5--3-------------------------------|-------||
-----------------------5--4--2----------------------|-------||
--------------------------------5--4--2-------------|-------||
-----------------------------------------5--3--2----|-------||
----------------------------------------------------|--3----||

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I would like you to start by getting use to those shapes and when you will be learning them try to call out notes it will help you to master the neck better! And know exactly where all the notes are!
And here is a cool part of this exercise!
I played a track and would like you to play along with me!
http://soundcloud.com/alex-feather-akimov/modes-workout
Just get comfortable with it first and I will explain what to do next! smile.gif
Let me know if you have any questions or need help!
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post Sep 16 2012, 01:28 AM
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Wow cool exercise!!!! I'll start working on it! Two questions before I post something


1)Do you want me to record something above your take? Wouldn't it be better if I had the backing track??

2)If I play this lick for example

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o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7----------4-5-4--------------|
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will I be playing G Ionian or F# Locrian? (Just because I'm starting on the F# note,but the pattern is on the G Ionian)
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Sep 16 2012, 12:28 AM) *
Wow cool exercise!!!! I'll start working on it! Two questions before I post something


1)Do you want me to record something above your take? Wouldn't it be better if I had the backing track??

2)If I play this lick for example

---------------------------------------------------
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o---------------------------4--5--7----------------|
o------------------4--5--7----------4-5-4--------------|
---------------------------------------------------
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will I be playing G Ionian or F# Locrian? (Just because I'm starting on the F# note,but the pattern is on the G Ionian)

Glad you like it! smile.gif
If you can record something that would be great! Backing track is not necessary but I can upload it if you want me to! smile.gif
Since you have started from F# it will make it Locrian
The thing is all modes are the part of the same scale! Nothing really will change except of the starting note
Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything! smile.gif


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Cool I did the exercise!! I can't record anything because my friend has the sound card (POD) but I did the exercise!! Very cool biggrin.gif I think I should do it with all scales!

Just a question....by learning the major scales,it means I've learned the minor ones? For example,now that I learned G Major doesn't it mean I can freely used E Minor(Aeolian)?
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Sep 25 2012, 05:28 PM) *
Cool I did the exercise!! I can't record anything because my friend has the sound card (POD) but I did the exercise!! Very cool biggrin.gif I think I should do it with all scales!

Just a question....by learning the major scales,it means I've learned the minor ones? For example,now that I learned G Major doesn't it mean I can freely used E Minor(Aeolian)?

I am glad you have learned it! smile.gif
You learned all modes major and minor already! The thing is it doesn't matter if it is major or minor it is the same scale the only difference is a starting note! Say for example:
G - A - B - C - D - E - F# is a G major scale (G Ionian)
B - C - D - E - F# - G - A is a B phrygian
As you can see it is the same scale just different starting note!
I hope that makes sense! smile.gif
What would you like to do next?
Maybe start getting into improvisation?
Let me know!


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Sep 27 2012, 03:02 PM) *
I am glad you have learned it! smile.gif
You learned all modes major and minor already! The thing is it doesn't matter if it is major or minor it is the same scale the only difference is a starting note! Say for example:
G - A - B - C - D - E - F# is a G major scale (G Ionian)
B - C - D - E - F# - G - A is a B phrygian
As you can see it is the same scale just different starting note!
I hope that makes sense! smile.gif
What would you like to do next?
Maybe start getting into improvisation?
Let me know!


We already have a guitar mentoring thread going so I think we should do other theory stuff here! smile.gif
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Sep 27 2012, 10:56 PM) *
We already have a guitar mentoring thread going so I think we should do other theory stuff here! smile.gif

So would you like to work on improvisation or something else? Let me know!


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Sep 30 2012, 03:23 PM) *
So would you like to work on improvisation or something else? Let me know!


I would like to get more on theory! For example,chord progressions and how to know which scales I can play on that certain chord progression! Generally,I'm no good at theory tongue.gif
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 4 2012, 12:38 AM) *
I would like to get more on theory! For example,chord progressions and how to know which scales I can play on that certain chord progression! Generally,I'm no good at theory tongue.gif

Sounds good! Let's do this way! You will write a chord progression 4 chords and I will explain you what to use over it and why! This way will be much easier for you to understand! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 4 2012, 07:15 PM) *
Sounds good! Let's do this way! You will write a chord progression 4 chords and I will explain you what to use over it and why! This way will be much easier for you to understand! smile.gif



Cool!! biggrin.gif Well something easy for starters like this chord progression! Am-F-Dm-G!!

What can I play over that one and why???
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 9 2012, 06:46 PM) *
Cool!! biggrin.gif Well something easy for starters like this chord progression! Am-F-Dm-G!!

What can I play over that one and why???

Let's figure out in what key this is in


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 11 2012, 04:12 AM) *
Let's figure out in what key this is in



I think it's C Major!
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 12 2012, 10:40 AM) *
I think it's C Major!

Why do you think it is in C major?


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 14 2012, 04:48 PM) *
Why do you think it is in C major?


Because the C is : Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj

And the chord progression has chords from above!

But by the way you said it,it's probably not tongue.gif

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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 14 2012, 06:28 PM) *
Because the C is : Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj

And the chord progression has chords from above!

But by the way you said it,it's probably not tongue.gif

You are almost correct! There is no Bb though in C major there is natural B
Bb will be in C mixolydian scale
Are you familiar with circle of fifth? It is the way flats and sharps being added
Let me know and I can explain it in details


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 16 2012, 07:13 AM) *
You are almost correct! There is no Bb though in C major there is natural B
Bb will be in C mixolydian scale
Are you familiar with circle of fifth? It is the way flats and sharps being added
Let me know and I can explain it in details


I have no idea what the circle of fifth is :\ yeah I would like you to explain that?

And why do you mention Bb? I didn't have that one on the chord progression! Truth is though the song I had on my mind when I posted this chord progression has that chord afterwards!
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