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 Oct 18 2012, 06:58 AM Post #21 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 16 2012, 03:51 PM) I have no idea what the circle of fifth is :\ yeah I would like you to explain that?And why do you mention Bb? I didn't have that one on the chord progression! Truth is though the song I had on my mind when I posted this chord progression has that chord afterwards! In music theory, the circle of fifths (or circle of fourths) is a visual representation of the relationships among the 12 tones of the chromatic scale, their corresponding key signatures, and the associated major and minor keys. More specifically, it is a geometrical representation of relationships among the 12 pitch classes of the chromatic scale in pitch class space.The term 'fifth' defines an interval or mathematical ratio which is the closest and most consonant non-octave interval. The circle of fifths is a sequence of pitches or key tonalities, represented as a circle, in which the next pitch is found seven semitones higher than the last. Musicians and composers use the circle of fifths to understand and describe the musical relationships among some selection of those pitches. The circle's design is helpful in composing and harmonizing melodies, building chords, and moving to different keys within a compositionAt the top of the circle, the key of C Major has no sharps or flats. Starting from the apex and proceeding clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Similarly, proceeding counterclockwise from the apex by descending fifths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on. At the bottom of the circle, the sharp and flat keys overlap.So to make it simpler by knowing circle of fifths you will understand how sharps and flats being added! So here is the circle of fifths:You will have to memorize the order of sharps and flatsSharp being added in this order:F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E# Flats being aded in this order:Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - CbHere is the breakdown of major scales and parallel minors with sharps and flats:G (E minor) = F#D (B minor) = F# - C# A (F# minor) = F# - C# - G#E (C# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D#B (G# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A#F# (D# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#F (D minor) = BbBb (G minor) = Bb - Eb Eb (C minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab Ab (F minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db Db (Bb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - GbGb ( Eb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - CbLet me know if you have any questions! --------------------
 Nov 9 2012, 05:08 PM Post #22 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 18 2012, 05:58 AM) In music theory, the circle of fifths (or circle of fourths) is a visual representation of the relationships among the 12 tones of the chromatic scale, their corresponding key signatures, and the associated major and minor keys. More specifically, it is a geometrical representation of relationships among the 12 pitch classes of the chromatic scale in pitch class space.The term 'fifth' defines an interval or mathematical ratio which is the closest and most consonant non-octave interval. The circle of fifths is a sequence of pitches or key tonalities, represented as a circle, in which the next pitch is found seven semitones higher than the last. Musicians and composers use the circle of fifths to understand and describe the musical relationships among some selection of those pitches. The circle's design is helpful in composing and harmonizing melodies, building chords, and moving to different keys within a compositionAt the top of the circle, the key of C Major has no sharps or flats. Starting from the apex and proceeding clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Similarly, proceeding counterclockwise from the apex by descending fifths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on. At the bottom of the circle, the sharp and flat keys overlap.So to make it simpler by knowing circle of fifths you will understand how sharps and flats being added! So here is the circle of fifths:You will have to memorize the order of sharps and flatsSharp being added in this order:F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E# Flats being aded in this order:Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - CbHere is the breakdown of major scales and parallel minors with sharps and flats:G (E minor) = F#D (B minor) = F# - C# A (F# minor) = F# - C# - G#E (C# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D#B (G# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A#F# (D# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#F (D minor) = BbBb (G minor) = Bb - Eb Eb (C minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab Ab (F minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db Db (Bb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - GbGb ( Eb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - CbLet me know if you have any questions! Yeah,pretty cool way to learn how to use chords and scales!But I still don't get why you mentioned Bb when I did not! And as I said,there is a Bb chord in the progression afterwards in the song!
 Nov 11 2012, 12:44 AM Post #23 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 9 2012, 04:08 PM) Yeah,pretty cool way to learn how to use chords and scales!But I still don't get why you mentioned Bb when I did not! And as I said,there is a Bb chord in the progression afterwards in the song! That's what you wrote QUOTE Because the C is : Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,CmajAnd the chord progression has chords from above!But by the way you said it,it's probably not When you harmonized C major scale you wrote Bb and there is no Bb in C major scale It will be Cmaj - Dmi- Emi -Fmaj- Gmaj- Ami- Bdim That is why I have posted the circle of fifths If you will use a Bb in the chord progression you will be doing a modulation in a different key We can do it as well but let's first figure out the first part! So what do you think will work over your chord progression? --------------------
 Nov 23 2012, 04:26 PM Post #24 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 10 2012, 11:44 PM) When you harmonized C major scale you wrote Bb and there is no Bb in C major scale I still don't get this sentence.... :\I think A Minor or E minor and G Major would do!!!
 Nov 23 2012, 10:38 PM Post #25 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 23 2012, 03:26 PM) I still don't get this sentence.... :\I think A Minor or E minor and G Major would do!!! What exactly don't you understand? Let me know and I will explain it in details! --------------------
 Nov 24 2012, 01:51 AM Post #26 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 23 2012, 09:38 PM) What exactly don't you understand? Let me know and I will explain it in details! I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I saidC Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression??
 Nov 25 2012, 11:32 AM Post #27 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 24 2012, 12:51 AM) I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I saidC Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression?? Bdim got me confused I thought you meant Bb! So for this chord progression Am-F-Dm-GYou can use:C major scale as you have mentioned Also D Dorian will work perfectly fine And here is another trick! You can assume that G is a 7 chord and can play A phrygian ver it! I will post a backing track soon and we will try it out! --------------------
 Nov 27 2012, 09:19 AM Post #28 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 24 2012, 12:51 AM) I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I saidC Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression?? I am creating a backing track for you using the chord progression you have suggested this way we can have a little jam back and forth and I will be making assignments based on it! Let me know what do you think! --------------------
 Dec 1 2012, 08:33 PM Post #29 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 27 2012, 08:19 AM) I am creating a backing track for you using the chord progression you have suggested this way we can have a little jam back and forth and I will be making assignments based on it! Let me know what do you think! Cool!!! Pleaso do I'll be waiting!!!
 Dec 1 2012, 09:13 PM Post #30 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 1 2012, 07:33 PM) Cool!!! Pleaso do I'll be waiting!!! Awesome! Give me until tomorrow and I will have it ready! I had some technical difficulties with my sound card but today I am gonna replace the part and it should be back to normal --------------------
 Dec 3 2012, 08:03 PM Post #31 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 1 2012, 07:33 PM) Cool!!! Pleaso do I'll be waiting!!! Hi So I have created a backing track for you it's based on the same chord progression you have provided Ami - F - Dmi - GLet's try to play over it we will be doing a jam back and forth you will do a take and I will do a take! Here is what I would like you to use over itA minor pentatonic D minor pentatonic Here is the track  A_minor_jam.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 41Let me know what do you think --------------------
 Dec 4 2012, 01:16 AM Post #32 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 Very cool backing track!!!! Here is my take! I would like to see it jammed by more than these scales(either by you or me)! Attached File(s)  AmTake.mp3 ( 1.45MB ) Number of downloads: 64
 Dec 4 2012, 03:01 AM Post #33 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 4 2012, 12:16 AM) Very cool backing track!!!! Here is my take! I would like to see it jammed by more than these scales(either by you or me)! You did a very good job! Some very interesting phrases! Watch out for your timing and bends some were a little off! Overall great job! I will post my take with a new assignment soon! --------------------
 Dec 4 2012, 09:31 AM Post #34 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Dec 4 2012, 02:01 AM) You did a very good job! Some very interesting phrases! Watch out for your timing and bends some were a little off! Overall great job! I will post my take with a new assignment soon! Yeah,I was off on some parts..! Waiting for next assignment
 Dec 4 2012, 11:10 PM Post #35 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 4 2012, 08:31 AM) Yeah,I was off on some parts..! Waiting for next assignment Awesome! It seems to me that you know your scales pretty well! I think let's add some extra spice to it! Let's start working on harmonic minor We will be using A harmonic minor the notes are:A - B - C - D - E - F - G#I would like to start with pentatonics first here are the positions I want you to use:I did my take to give you ideas and would like you to continue the solo after  Subbed_Chris.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 58Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything --------------------
 Dec 5 2012, 05:03 PM Post #36 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Greece Member No.: 10.576 QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Dec 4 2012, 10:10 PM) Awesome! It seems to me that you know your scales pretty well! I think let's add some extra spice to it! Let's start working on harmonic minor We will be using A harmonic minor the notes are:A - B - C - D - E - F - G#I would like to start with pentatonics first here are the positions I want you to use:I did my take to give you ideas and would like you to continue the solo after  Subbed_Chris.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 58Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything Awesome,I've never used harmonic minor!! I'll give it a try
 Dec 5 2012, 11:57 PM Post #37 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 4.332 Joined: 21-November 11 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14.398 QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 5 2012, 04:03 PM) Awesome,I've never used harmonic minor!! I'll give it a try That's great! I am looking forward to hear your take! It is a very fun and unique scale to use! Lete me know if you have any questions or need help with anything! --------------------

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