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post Oct 18 2012, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Oct 16 2012, 03:51 PM) *
I have no idea what the circle of fifth is :\ yeah I would like you to explain that?

And why do you mention Bb? I didn't have that one on the chord progression! Truth is though the song I had on my mind when I posted this chord progression has that chord afterwards!

In music theory, the circle of fifths (or circle of fourths) is a visual representation of the relationships among the 12 tones of the chromatic scale, their corresponding key signatures, and the associated major and minor keys. More specifically, it is a geometrical representation of relationships among the 12 pitch classes of the chromatic scale in pitch class space.

The term 'fifth' defines an interval or mathematical ratio which is the closest and most consonant non-octave interval. The circle of fifths is a sequence of pitches or key tonalities, represented as a circle, in which the next pitch is found seven semitones higher than the last. Musicians and composers use the circle of fifths to understand and describe the musical relationships among some selection of those pitches. The circle's design is helpful in composing and harmonizing melodies, building chords, and moving to different keys within a composition

At the top of the circle, the key of C Major has no sharps or flats. Starting from the apex and proceeding clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Similarly, proceeding counterclockwise from the apex by descending fifths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on. At the bottom of the circle, the sharp and flat keys overlap.

So to make it simpler by knowing circle of fifths you will understand how sharps and flats being added!


So here is the circle of fifths:
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You will have to memorize the order of sharps and flats
Sharp being added in this order:

F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#

Flats being aded in this order:

Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - Cb

Here is the breakdown of major scales and parallel minors with sharps and flats:

G (E minor) = F#
D (B minor) = F# - C#
A (F# minor) = F# - C# - G#
E (C# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D#
B (G# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A#
F# (D# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#



F (D minor) = Bb
Bb (G minor) = Bb - Eb
Eb (C minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab
Ab (F minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db
Db (Bb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb
Gb ( Eb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - Cb


Let me know if you have any questions! smile.gif


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post Nov 9 2012, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Oct 18 2012, 05:58 AM) *
In music theory, the circle of fifths (or circle of fourths) is a visual representation of the relationships among the 12 tones of the chromatic scale, their corresponding key signatures, and the associated major and minor keys. More specifically, it is a geometrical representation of relationships among the 12 pitch classes of the chromatic scale in pitch class space.

The term 'fifth' defines an interval or mathematical ratio which is the closest and most consonant non-octave interval. The circle of fifths is a sequence of pitches or key tonalities, represented as a circle, in which the next pitch is found seven semitones higher than the last. Musicians and composers use the circle of fifths to understand and describe the musical relationships among some selection of those pitches. The circle's design is helpful in composing and harmonizing melodies, building chords, and moving to different keys within a composition

At the top of the circle, the key of C Major has no sharps or flats. Starting from the apex and proceeding clockwise by ascending fifths, the key of G has one sharp, the key of D has 2 sharps, and so on. Similarly, proceeding counterclockwise from the apex by descending fifths, the key of F has one flat, the key of B♭ has 2 flats, and so on. At the bottom of the circle, the sharp and flat keys overlap.

So to make it simpler by knowing circle of fifths you will understand how sharps and flats being added!


So here is the circle of fifths:
Attached Image


You will have to memorize the order of sharps and flats
Sharp being added in this order:

F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#

Flats being aded in this order:

Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - Cb

Here is the breakdown of major scales and parallel minors with sharps and flats:

G (E minor) = F#
D (B minor) = F# - C#
A (F# minor) = F# - C# - G#
E (C# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D#
B (G# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A#
F# (D# minor) = F# - C# - G# - D# - A# - E#



F (D minor) = Bb
Bb (G minor) = Bb - Eb
Eb (C minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab
Ab (F minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db
Db (Bb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb
Gb ( Eb minor) = Bb - Eb - Ab - Db - Gb - Cb


Let me know if you have any questions! smile.gif


Yeah,pretty cool way to learn how to use chords and scales!

But I still don't get why you mentioned Bb when I did not! And as I said,there is a Bb chord in the progression afterwards in the song!
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 9 2012, 04:08 PM) *
Yeah,pretty cool way to learn how to use chords and scales!

But I still don't get why you mentioned Bb when I did not! And as I said,there is a Bb chord in the progression afterwards in the song!

That's what you wrote
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Because the C is : Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj

And the chord progression has chords from above!

But by the way you said it,it's probably not


When you harmonized C major scale you wrote Bb and there is no Bb in C major scale
It will be Cmaj - Dmi- Emi -Fmaj- Gmaj- Ami- Bdim
That is why I have posted the circle of fifths
If you will use a Bb in the chord progression you will be doing a modulation in a different key
We can do it as well but let's first figure out the first part!
So what do you think will work over your chord progression?


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post Nov 23 2012, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 10 2012, 11:44 PM) *
When you harmonized C major scale you wrote Bb and there is no Bb in C major scale


I still don't get this sentence.... :\


I think A Minor or E minor and G Major would do!!! smile.gif
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 23 2012, 03:26 PM) *
I still don't get this sentence.... :\


I think A Minor or E minor and G Major would do!!! smile.gif

What exactly don't you understand? Let me know and I will explain it in details!


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post Nov 24 2012, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 23 2012, 09:38 PM) *
What exactly don't you understand? Let me know and I will explain it in details!


I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I said

C Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\


Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression??
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post Nov 25 2012, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 24 2012, 12:51 AM) *
I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I said

C Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\


Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression??

Bdim got me confused smile.gif I thought you meant Bb!
So for this chord progression
Am-F-Dm-G

You can use:
C major scale as you have mentioned
Also D Dorian will work perfectly fine
And here is another trick!
You can assume that G is a 7 chord and can play A phrygian ver it! I will post a backing track soon and we will try it out! smile.gif


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post Nov 27 2012, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Nov 24 2012, 12:51 AM) *
I don't understand what Bb has to do with C Major Scale!! When I harmonized it I said

C Major:Cmaj,Dmin,Emin,Fmaj,Gmaj,Amin,Bdim,Cmaj. I never mentioned Bb so I don't know what it has to do with C Major :\


Aside from that,what scales are good for this chord progression??

I am creating a backing track for you using the chord progression you have suggested this way we can have a little jam back and forth and I will be making assignments based on it!
Let me know what do you think!


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post Dec 1 2012, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Nov 27 2012, 08:19 AM) *
I am creating a backing track for you using the chord progression you have suggested this way we can have a little jam back and forth and I will be making assignments based on it!
Let me know what do you think!


Cool!!! Pleaso do smile.gif I'll be waiting!!!
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post Dec 1 2012, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 1 2012, 07:33 PM) *
Cool!!! Pleaso do smile.gif I'll be waiting!!!

Awesome! Give me until tomorrow and I will have it ready! I had some technical difficulties with my sound card but today I am gonna replace the part and it should be back to normal


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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 1 2012, 07:33 PM) *
Cool!!! Pleaso do smile.gif I'll be waiting!!!

Hi So I have created a backing track for you it's based on the same chord progression you have provided
Ami - F - Dmi - G
Let's try to play over it we will be doing a jam back and forth
you will do a take and I will do a take! smile.gif
Here is what I would like you to use over it
A minor pentatonic


D minor pentatonic


Here is the track
Attached File  A_minor_jam.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 41

Let me know what do you think


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post Dec 4 2012, 01:16 AM
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Very cool backing track!!!! biggrin.gif Here is my take!

I would like to see it jammed by more than these scales(either by you or me)!




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Attached File  AmTake.mp3 ( 1.45MB ) Number of downloads: 64
 
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post Dec 4 2012, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 4 2012, 12:16 AM) *
Very cool backing track!!!! biggrin.gif Here is my take!

I would like to see it jammed by more than these scales(either by you or me)!

You did a very good job! Some very interesting phrases! Watch out for your timing and bends some were a little off! Overall great job! I will post my take with a new assignment soon! smile.gif


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post Dec 4 2012, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Dec 4 2012, 02:01 AM) *
You did a very good job! Some very interesting phrases! Watch out for your timing and bends some were a little off! Overall great job! I will post my take with a new assignment soon! smile.gif

Yeah,I was off on some parts..! Waiting for next assignment smile.gif
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 4 2012, 08:31 AM) *
Yeah,I was off on some parts..! Waiting for next assignment smile.gif

Awesome! It seems to me that you know your scales pretty well! I think let's add some extra spice to it!
Let's start working on harmonic minor
We will be using A harmonic minor
the notes are:
A - B - C - D - E - F - G#
I would like to start with pentatonics first
here are the positions I want you to use:




I did my take to give you ideas and would like you to continue the solo after

Attached File  Subbed_Chris.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 58

Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything


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QUOTE (Alex Feather @ Dec 4 2012, 10:10 PM) *
Awesome! It seems to me that you know your scales pretty well! I think let's add some extra spice to it!
Let's start working on harmonic minor
We will be using A harmonic minor
the notes are:
A - B - C - D - E - F - G#
I would like to start with pentatonics first
here are the positions I want you to use:




I did my take to give you ideas and would like you to continue the solo after

Attached File  Subbed_Chris.mp3 ( 2.72MB ) Number of downloads: 58

Let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything


Awesome,I've never used harmonic minor!! I'll give it a try biggrin.gif
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post Dec 5 2012, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Dec 5 2012, 04:03 PM) *
Awesome,I've never used harmonic minor!! I'll give it a try biggrin.gif

That's great! I am looking forward to hear your take! It is a very fun and unique scale to use!
Lete me know if you have any questions or need help with anything!


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