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I'm on it in your thread wink.gif


I see that jeeze did I mess this thing up. Well have at it thanks
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Hey George!

For the theory part! Yes! It's correct!

Now apply the same formula for E major and B major - what do you notice if you try it over F# major? biggrin.gif

How fast are you with the C note on the metronome?

For the strumming lesson - your take seems pretty good man! About hitting various groups of strings - I will most definitely give you some task in that direction as well, as it's a very important technique so, don't mind it being difficult biggrin.gif You'll be dealing with it A LOT! Your timing is good and you are playing clean, so I guess you hit the spot with this one. Indeed, becoming consistent in clean playing, as well as being able to accentuate at will is important - you could try a variation on this lesson, by accentuating the first beat in a certain number of bars or any other combination which can be musical and fits the context biggrin.gif

About the pulloffs - it is correct but it lacks interpretation and confidence - it's just a matter of spending more time with it wink.gif

The legato is also correct! Should we try something more challenging in this direction? biggrin.gif

For the articulation part - the vibrato is executed in a correct manner but too lightly smile.gif You need more strength there buddy! The first bends are not ok, simply because you bended to little. How about taking a lookie here:



About the picking lesson - the way you held the pic after analyzing Ben's grip was ok - it is a good approach!! What you need now is getting comfy with the position and syncing your hands - so take this lesson and focus on executing everything with tightness and great timing at a slow tempo, observing your grip and movement wink.gif

It's a lot of work but you are on the good way man!!! I like what I'm seeing!

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 29 2012, 04:21 AM) *
Hey George!

For the theory part! Yes! It's correct!

Now apply the same formula for E major and B major - what do you notice if you try it over F# major? biggrin.gif

How fast are you with the C note on the metronome?

For the strumming lesson - your take seems pretty good man! About hitting various groups of strings - I will most definitely give you some task in that direction as well, as it's a very important technique so, don't mind it being difficult biggrin.gif You'll be dealing with it A LOT! Your timing is good and you are playing clean, so I guess you hit the spot with this one. Indeed, becoming consistent in clean playing, as well as being able to accentuate at will is important - you could try a variation on this lesson, by accentuating the first beat in a certain number of bars or any other combination which can be musical and fits the context biggrin.gif

About the pulloffs - it is correct but it lacks interpretation and confidence - it's just a matter of spending more time with it wink.gif

The legato is also correct! Should we try something more challenging in this direction? biggrin.gif

For the articulation part - the vibrato is executed in a correct manner but too lightly smile.gif You need more strength there buddy! The first bends are not ok, simply because you bended to little. How about taking a lookie here:



About the picking lesson - the way you held the pic after analyzing Ben's grip was ok - it is a good approach!! What you need now is getting comfy with the position and syncing your hands - so take this lesson and focus on executing everything with tightness and great timing at a slow tempo, observing your grip and movement wink.gif

It's a lot of work but you are on the good way man!!! I like what I'm seeing!

Cosmin

Ok
Thanks for how you put things. I think I am my worst critic, I thought it had a lot to be desired. Is real perfection an illusion? laugh.gif

Theory:
I thought I'd move the theory along as I do it instead of waiting till I get the package done. I have attached a Word doc to answer you're questions. I hope you don't think of me as presumptuous or overboard, I do not mean to control your mentoring, I just thought you should know now, what I now know and this is all I know now. smile.gif As I said in the attachment hit me with your best shot! Boggle my brain.

C note and metronome with vocal:
I kinda dropped the ball on this one. What I can do is string by string up or down @ 100bpm, string to string up and down @ 80, I didn't get to random play. Do you plan for me to memorize the fretboard? It is a goal of mine. I will continue to random play.

Rhythm:
I will put together another demo of a different strum. So what's the new task going to be?

Pull offs:
I get your point about the pull-offs. What would you like to do?

Vibrato:
Thanks for your demo. I don't mean this in a bad way Ben just didn't look that aggressive he actually blew me away. I have difficulty in rotating the hand. Let's do more or what?

Picking:
Holding the pick different is making a big difference. When I get it right I'll do another demo. What's next.

As far a syncing the vid with the sound track in Windows Movie Maker I found, Ctrl+Shift+B nudges to left and Ctrl+Shift+N nudges to the right if that may be useful to anyone.

Now that I've got all those technical issues out of the way let's get to it! More more more. You'll be working as hard as me laugh.gif

It is a pleasure to do this with you
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QUOTE (geoboi @ Oct 29 2012, 04:47 PM) *
Ok
Thanks for how you put things. I think I am my worst critic, I thought it had a lot to be desired. Is real perfection an illusion? laugh.gif

Theory:
I thought I'd move the theory along as I do it instead of waiting till I get the package done. I have attached a Word doc to answer you're questions. I hope you don't think of me as presumptuous or overboard, I do not mean to control your mentoring, I just thought you should know now, what I now know and this is all I know now. smile.gif As I said in the attachment hit me with your best shot! Boggle my brain.

C note and metronome with vocal:
I kinda dropped the ball on this one. What I can do is string by string up or down @ 100bpm, string to string up and down @ 80, I didn't get to random play. Do you plan for me to memorize the fretboard? It is a goal of mine. I will continue to random play.

Rhythm:
I will put together another demo of a different strum. So what's the new task going to be?

Pull offs:
I get your point about the pull-offs. What would you like to do?

Vibrato:
Thanks for your demo. I don't mean this in a bad way Ben just didn't look that aggressive he actually blew me away. I have difficulty in rotating the hand. Let's do more or what?

Picking:
Holding the pick different is making a big difference. When I get it right I'll do another demo. What's next.

As far a syncing the vid with the sound track in Windows Movie Maker I found, Ctrl+Shift+B nudges to left and Ctrl+Shift+N nudges to the right if that may be useful to anyone.

Now that I've got all those technical issues out of the way let's get to it! More more more. You'll be working as hard as me laugh.gif

It is a pleasure to do this with you
geo

Jeeeeeeezze I am so dense, when you wrote E major, B major and F# major I thought you were talking about the scale. I didn't realize till I got out of bed you meant chords. I wanted to post this before you got a chance to review my work so you didn't think I was goofy or somethin'. Well fact is I probably am laugh.gif I'll have them for you shortly. Well at least you also know the extent of my knowledge. BTW those notes I can also put in music notation.
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Hey George! If you have them here by tomorrow, I'll come back to you with all the feedback and new tasks as well wink.gif


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E major chord:
The Major 3rd G# goes down half step (1 interval or semitone) to the open G and makes an E minor.
Do I use the terms interval and semitone correctly in regard to half step?

B major chord:
There are a few ways to shape a B major chord however in any case the major 3rd goes to a minor third as in D# to D. This makes a B minor

F# chord:
If we take the bar F chord 1st fret and move it to F# second fret the major 3rd A# goes to A. This makes an F minor.
On this one you were asking what I would notice. What should I have noticed?

Summary:
So no matter how the cords can be shaped the major third will always be the same note shape to shape and taking the major third to a minor third will make a minor chord. Have I got that right?

By the way I don't know many chords. Have no idea what a circle of fifths are etc.
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QUOTE (geoboi @ Oct 31 2012, 04:44 PM) *
E major chord:
The Major 3rd G# goes down half step (1 interval or semitone) to the open G and makes an E minor.
Do I use the terms interval and semitone correctly in regard to half step?

B major chord:
There are a few ways to shape a B major chord however in any case the major 3rd goes to a minor third as in D# to D. This makes a B minor

F# chord:
If we take the bar F chord 1st fret and move it to F# second fret the major 3rd A# goes to A. This makes an F minor.
On this one you were asking what I would notice. What should I have noticed?

Summary:
So no matter how the cords can be shaped the major third will always be the same note shape to shape and taking the major third to a minor third will make a minor chord. Have I got that right?

By the way I don't know many chords. Have no idea what a circle of fifths are etc.


Your assumptions are correct and you have the basis for building chords! Join us tonight for some stuff on the circle of 5ths biggrin.gif

Now for each of the tasks, I would like you to focus on correcting the stuff that I have pointed out and try another set of recordings before hitting the next set of tasks.

A healthy approach would involve revising your previous activities from time to time, because, you will tend to forget stuff - I do as well biggrin.gif

Regarding the theory, you have observed that you can use theoretical notations which are less used in the actual music - such as E# for instance - that's what I wanted you to spot and you did smile.gif

The theoretical aspects which you mentioned are correct, so now my question towards you, regarding theory - what sort of chords can you build with what you know so far?

Until deriving modes from a parent scale, we should delve in the realm of chords first wink.gif

So - please answer the question above and let's see the corrections applied on the vids, before moving forward to the next set of practical tasks!

Let's rock!

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 1 2012, 10:28 AM) *
Your assumptions are correct and you have the basis for building chords! Join us tonight for some stuff on the circle of 5ths biggrin.gif

Now for each of the tasks, I would like you to focus on correcting the stuff that I have pointed out and try another set of recordings before hitting the next set of tasks.

A healthy approach would involve revising your previous activities from time to time, because, you will tend to forget stuff - I do as well biggrin.gif

Regarding the theory, you have observed that you can use theoretical notations which are less used in the actual music - such as E# for instance - that's what I wanted you to spot and you did smile.gif

The theoretical aspects which you mentioned are correct, so now my question towards you, regarding theory - what sort of chords can you build with what you know so far?

Until deriving modes from a parent scale, we should delve in the realm of chords first wink.gif

So - please answer the question above and let's see the corrections applied on the vids, before moving forward to the next set of practical tasks!

Let's rock!

Cosmin


Theory:
You asked, "what sort of chords can you build with what you know so far".
At first I didn't get what you were saying until I realized I built minor chords in the previous lesson. With a little research I have this answer...
Using major and minor triad chords I can build major or minor chords by raising and lowering the major or minor 3rd interval or the 4th and 5th degree. I can also build augmented or diminished chords by raising or lowering the perfect 5th interval to the 7th or 9th degree. I'm not to sure about the degree part. Am I on the right track?

I un-posted my vids from the previous post. Next time I will leave them as is till we get done with that lesson. So I re posted it all below for comparison.

Articulation:
I didn't do this lesson as I had no vibrato I had a theory as to why not.



I still didn't do the lesson again because I've go no vibrato. My theory is I don't think the amp has the capacity. It's a $100 amp for a reason. I bought this thing thinking I'd replace it in a month but extenuating financial problems have complicated it, it's not just the car. Any how it's kinda like comparing a yardstick to a micrometer or putting passenger tires on a Porsche. I don't use the chromatic tuner because my ear is better. I believe the digital circuitry is so inferior that it just doesn't pick up the tones. It's as if it locks on to a tone and stays there. That's what I was trying to demonstrate with the first vibrato vid. the bends were weak to show there was no tonal change. So in the ReArticulation I demonstrate with the first pick that the sound falls off in a matter of seconds there is no sustain. It should have gone on for days. I had my amp maxed out on gain, virtual overdrive maxed out even a Reaper 4 band EQ to the limits. The second pick again it falls right off. The third pick I do manage to get vibrato but I'm pulling on the string with all my might and it takes all 3 fingers to do so. Fourth pick the same, fifth pick with one finger nothing. Seventh pick at fret 22 just a regular pick that falls off in seconds, the last pick with all my might I do get vibrato. This whole thing is just freaking me out because it's either me or my theory is correct. In analyzing what Ben is doing he gets a lot of action even with one finger. He doesn't bend the string, his sustain doesn't fall off and he clearly isn't using all his might. I reckon his tone variation is approximately 25 to 45 cents as we have 100 cents per semitone. The human ear can detect roughly 10-15 cents. I don't think my amp discerns 30 cents. So in other words 30 cents is my 0. So I do hope it's the amp otherwise I'm completely obsessed and nuts. That's why I worked so hard to get my amp hooked up to the computer so I could by pass the speaker which is worse and using the vid cam mike was unbearable. My Studio has got BurstBucker Pro pups and should scream and crunch like a mad dog, instead it comes off like a dead duck. It's very depressing and I can't believe I'm letting this get the best of me but it does make my pull offs, string bends and every thing else weak. It just makes me want to cry like a little girl laugh.gif So that's my story and I'm sticken to it.


Here's the rest of the stuff

Rhythm


ReRhythm


Alternate Picking


RePick


Legato


ReLegato


Still falling behind with the C note.

Now that I got this vibrato and sound thing out in the open and out of me I can move on.

I didn't include the Pull-offs as it was not part of the package just an extra one.

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Hey George!

I see progress! biggrin.gif About the vibrato, I think you should just go on with what you have so far and try to make the best of it until you get yer hands on a better amp. I never had such trouble, but then again, I always had a good amp/ preamp at hand even before I knew what vibrato was, so, not my case.

Anyway, for the rhythm lesson - you gained enough confidence, but rushed! Take care on the timing, mate!

Regarding the picking lesson - you are exaggerating the movement and you tend to miss out on the last notes toward the last part of the lesson - my advice here is to study at a slower tempo and focus on moving your right hand as little as possible.

This is all I could observe that needed immediate correction smile.gif

Anyway, how about a new set of tasks, while of course, taking care to work on the old ones needing a bit more attention?

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 5 2012, 04:01 PM) *
Hey George!

I see progress! biggrin.gif About the vibrato, I think you should just go on with what you have so far and try to make the best of it until you get yer hands on a better amp. I never had such trouble, but then again, I always had a good amp/ preamp at hand even before I knew what vibrato was, so, not my case.

Anyway, for the rhythm lesson - you gained enough confidence, but rushed! Take care on the timing, mate!

Regarding the picking lesson - you are exaggerating the movement and you tend to miss out on the last notes toward the last part of the lesson - my advice here is to study at a slower tempo and focus on moving your right hand as little as possible.

This is all I could observe that needed immediate correction smile.gif

Anyway, how about a new set of tasks, while of course, taking care to work on the old ones needing a bit more attention?

Cosmin


Cosmin;
I find myself at a hump I have to get over. It's about my timing in all the lessons. Looking at myself I see struggle as my mind is not in sync with my hands. I must make this connection and can only do so by relaxing and feeling the moment. I have to stop thinking so much and be more comfortable not rushed. The Alternate Picking lesson is my main focus. I took your suggestion and slowed it down to 80 bpm and will do so till I get it right. It's coming along as I am feeling intuitive. I will raise the bpm till I get to speed. I have done this to everything and am sort of restarting were I started. I also did not have a structure to my practice which I must get under control to discipline my focus and time in a day. I'm going to ride with that till I get over the hump. If you have any thoughts please come forth.

About the theory I think we over looked that from my last post so here goes.

Theory:
You asked, "what sort of chords can you build with what you know so far".
At first I didn't get what you were saying until I realized I built minor chords in the previous lesson. With a little research I have this answer...

I can build triad chords from any major scale by using the 1, 3, 5, formula. That is Perfect Unison, Major 3rd, and Perfect 5th also know as the 1st, 5th, and 8th degree.

I built Minor chords in the previous theory lesson by stepping down the 3rd interval (major 3rd) 1 degree to the 4th degree, or minor 3rd.

I can build Diminished chords by changing the 8th degree to the 7th degree. Perfect 5th to Augmented 4th.

I can build Augmented chords by raising the Perfect 5th to the 9th degree a minor 6th.
If I guess right Augmented and Diminished chords can also be Minor?

Am I on the right track?

With the ear training on the c note I am at random play at a bpm of 70. I've decided to make a vid of that and will post it with every thing else.

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Hey George!

Slowing down is ALWAYS a good decision smile.gif You know, I find myself practicing some things slow enough so I can observe my movements and see what I can do to cut down unnecessary effort or things like that. Usually when you can observe yourself, take the time to do it and you will notice a LOT of interesting things - if treated right, this can lead to Zanshin smile.gif

Regarding theory, there are some things which are not entirely correct, so I will write down the formulas for the basic 3 notes chords (triads)

Major 1 3 5
Minor 1 b3 5
Augmented 1 3 #5
Diminished 1 b3 b5

Apply these formulas to any tonality and prestooooo biggrin.gif Instant triads smile.gif

Tell me George, do you happen to know anything about the circle of 5ths?

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 12 2012, 02:12 AM) *
Hey George!

Slowing down is ALWAYS a good decision smile.gif You know, I find myself practicing some things slow enough so I can observe my movements and see what I can do to cut down unnecessary effort or things like that. Usually when you can observe yourself, take the time to do it and you will notice a LOT of interesting things - if treated right, this can lead to Zanshin smile.gif

Regarding theory, there are some things which are not entirely correct, so I will write down the formulas for the basic 3 notes chords (triads)

Major 1 3 5
Minor 1 b3 5
Augmented 1 3 #5
Diminished 1 b3 b5

Apply these formulas to any tonality and prestooooo biggrin.gif Instant triads smile.gif

Tell me George, do you happen to know anything about the circle of 5ths?

Cosmin

PS: Looking forward to your new vids!

Hey Cosmin

Got your point on the Diminished chord. I saw that in my research but was so flooded with info. I didn't realize that was the only formula. I suppose I used the reference to Degrees and the Perfect Unison, etc. correctly?
About the circle of 5ths, seen the circle, doesn't make much sense.

I made good progress in retraining. I actually wore my arm out and the muscle is feeling it right below the shoulder, ya know it's just to slow. No concern though, I'm just gonna take a day then get the new vids up. I've learned how to change tempo (is that the correct word) and keep pitch in Reaper so I could gradually increase speed. It really worked well.

Hey I checked out your youtube channel. Amazing stuff! Between that, mentoring, girls and 101 do you sleep? While I was typing this I read your last post, looks like the learning curve for 101 is serious and steep. No doubt a thinking man's game. I'm sure you relish though in the face of the challenge. En garde!

Caught your post in your Zanshin thread. I've been lately in the Study of a man called Ernest Holmes. The Study has given me cause to re- dialog ALL THINKING and Beliefs. A while back I realized the stuff in my head was just there like everyone else. It sort of comes with the air we breathe and is also taught to us, rarely questioned because it is the social norm. From here on out I refuse to be Socially NORMAL! laugh.gif

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QUOTE (geoboi @ Nov 15 2012, 12:05 PM) *
Hey Cosmin

Got your point on the Diminished chord. I saw that in my research but was so flooded with info. I didn't realize that was the only formula. I suppose I used the reference to Degrees and the Perfect Unison, etc. correctly?
About the circle of 5ths, seen the circle, doesn't make much sense.

I made good progress in retraining. I actually wore my arm out and the muscle is feeling it right below the shoulder, ya know it's just to slow. No concern though, I'm just gonna take a day then get the new vids up. I've learned how to change tempo (is that the correct word) and keep pitch in Reaper so I could gradually increase speed. It really worked well.

Hey I checked out your youtube channel. Amazing stuff! Between that, mentoring, girls and 101 do you sleep? While I was typing this I read your last post, looks like the learning curve for 101 is serious and steep. No doubt a thinking man's game. I'm sure you relish though in the face of the challenge. En garde!

Caught your post in your Zanshin thread. I've been lately in the Study of a man called Ernest Holmes. The Study has given me cause to re- dialog ALL THINKING and Beliefs. A while back I realized the stuff in my head was just there like everyone else. It sort of comes with the air we breathe and is also taught to us, rarely questioned because it is the social norm. From here on out I refuse to be Socially NORMAL! laugh.gif

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So about the circle of 5ths. A circle with 12 notes. Starting at the top and going clockwise there is C(0#), G(1#), D(2#), A(3#), E(4#), B(5#), Gb/F#(6#/b), Db(5b), Ab(4b), Eb(3b), Bb(2b), F(1b). So we know how many # and flats. So somehow chord progressions a build from this. However that's unclear and I have no idea how 7's, 9's or sus's would apply to this I don't even know why they are. I understand a little more than my previous post.
So take it away.
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For a good handy sheet of Circle of Fifths go to this site: http://linkwaregraphics.com/music/circle-of-fifths/
and Download the Music Theory Circle of Fifths Handout. wink.gif
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For a good handy sheet of Circle of Fifths go to this site: http://linkwaregraphics.com/music/circle-of-fifths/
and Download the Music Theory Circle of Fifths Handout. wink.gif


Amir;
Your link does clarify things a little better thanks
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Howdy Cosmin
I'm just checkin in to let you know I haven't fallen in a hole. I seem to be at a point that... well I don't know really how to explain, I'm hot n cold. I'm kinda going inside out front and back. Ben's quote from Bruce Lee is going on. Some things are better though and I'm determined to dial it in. Last week doing the alternate picking lesson I over worked my arm a bit and just about the time I get warmed up I start to slow down. This looks like a good thing though I must be getting stronger. I guess you don't get that 4 1/2 minute mile with out running your butt off.

Any how you asked me what I know about the circle of fifths, here it is...
A circle with 12 notes. Starting at the top with the scale of C and going 5 intervals clockwise there is C(0#), G(1#), D(2#), A(3#), E(4#), B(5#), Gb/F#(6#/6b), Db(5b), Ab(4b), Eb(3b), Bb(2b), F(1b). So I know how many sharps and flats in the scales.
So somehow chord progressions are built from this but I'm not sure how that works.
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QUOTE (geoboi @ Nov 18 2012, 09:20 PM) *
Howdy Cosmin
I'm just checkin in to let you know I haven't fallen in a hole. I seem to be at a point that... well I don't know really how to explain, I'm hot n cold. I'm kinda going inside out front and back. Ben's quote from Bruce Lee is going on. Some things are better though and I'm determined to dial it in. Last week doing the alternate picking lesson I over worked my arm a bit and just about the time I get warmed up I start to slow down. This looks like a good thing though I must be getting stronger. I guess you don't get that 4 1/2 minute mile with out running your butt off.

Any how you asked me what I know about the circle of fifths, here it is...
A circle with 12 notes. Starting at the top with the scale of C and going 5 intervals clockwise there is C(0#), G(1#), D(2#), A(3#), E(4#), B(5#), Gb/F#(6#/6b), Db(5b), Ab(4b), Eb(3b), Bb(2b), F(1b). So I know how many sharps and flats in the scales.
So somehow chord progressions are built from this but I'm not sure how that works.
geo


Hey George, no biggie man!

Well, 101... that thread is mostly about the real life of a guy trying to make it in the music industry - it's steep because that's howit usually goes. You need to think ahead about EVERYTHING... Thanks for your nice thoughts about the YT channel - I am pretty darn proud about it and it took me about 2 years to build up what you saw there... Hope to get it even higher though smile.gif

About the circle smile.gif well, it's pretty darn easy to use it as a chord progression tool. Let's start like this:

Let's look at the notes on the circle as being related to the C major scale - Can you tell me what function would each note on the circle receive if it was to be related to the C major scale ?

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