How Do I Roll My Finger When Sweeping?, Help me |
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Jun 17 2007, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE (JOhn @ Jun 17 2007, 08:32 AM)  Im having problems when doing sweeps with that rolling finger thing over the strings. How am i supposed to roll it and still keep it clean? I don't even know if im doing it right i just place my finger over all the strings and kinda move it back muting the strings already played with the right hand with out really doing anything to the sound. Can some one please tell me how to do it its hard  I too had issues with this shape when i first started it. But trust me, with hours of metronome practice it just becomes automatic. Really, i thought i would never get it ! but becomes second nature after a while. First tip i would give is to play extremely slowly. Say 50bps on the metronome. Its hard to explain the roll action in text. But Herman Li does a pretty good job here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXLHtQicNBE make sure your playing 6-tuplets to the metronome to keep it even. count out loud 1-2-3-4-5-6 1-2-3-4-5-6 
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Jun 17 2007, 10:01 AM
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Topic edited - watch you language!
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Jun 17 2007, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Jun 17 2007, 03:07 AM) First tip i would give is to play extremely slowly. Say 50bps on the metronome. Its hard to explain the roll action in text. But Herman Li does a pretty good job here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXLHtQicNBE I agree with what you say. However, while Li seems personable enough, he does not explain it as well as pavel does. if you look at the lessons and some forum threads this horse have been beaten to death. Some say that Moses actually had a third tablet that had all the rules shredders must follow, but three stone tablets were to heavy too carry down the mountain so he left that one with the intent to come back and get it later. When he returned the tablet was gone, some say the Gypsies took it. But whatever the case, there are no known commandments which, if not followed while shredding, will result in your tongue turning to fire. I follow the rules of (1) never attempting to finger more than two adjacent strings with the same finger on a sweep when it involves an upstroke and (2) never fretting more than one of the two strings at a time. This is effectively what rolling your finger is, but it is a bit different depending on what finger you are using, and where you are on the fretboard. But to me, the most important thing is to hear your notes all ringing out clearly, in a really perfect rhythm. I hear a lot of guys, where when they speed it up, the quality of the sweeps really suffers, you don't hear the notes all ringing out in the prescribed rhythm once they speed up. A person needs to listen to themselves, and not kid themselves. Every note should stand out clearly, and in perfect rhythm, no exceptions, or one should slow down until they can accomplish that. in my opinion. There is a competition for speed, but rhythm is always much much more important to just about any listening audience, in terms of what they feel sounds good. to me rhythm is most of it, and very difficult to master, especially at speed. btw, i appreciate you keeping the threads clean Kris. This post has been edited by fkalich: Jun 17 2007, 12:11 PM |
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Jun 17 2007, 02:59 PM
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Its the hardets kind of sweep, usually you just start off with that slow, rolling your fingers untill you find what works for you.
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Jun 17 2007, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (tha_max @ Jun 17 2007, 02:12 PM) I'm having problems with the -8p5---------5 ------5----5--- ---------5-----arpeggio, I can't get it up to speed and I keep having dificulties trying to find that perfect spot Visit the Luca Turilli style lesson - there is a little tip on these sweeps. -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani "PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo Batio Check out my video lessons and instructor board! |
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Jun 18 2007, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 18 2007, 09:07 AM) pavel (and even batio) on this sweep ---8-5----------5--- --------6----6------ -----------5-------- use the index finger twice. you can use your index finger on the 1st string, third finger on the 2nd string, 2nd finger on the 3rd string. much more effective a fingering. and i don't care if anyone brings moses down from the mount to support moving that index finger like that. clearly something to avoid, a slower fingering, obviously. And Rusty Cooley is doing it that way, and Franceso Fareri and Chris Impellitteri - so i guess if top world shredders are doing it THAT WAY it's nothing wrong in using your index finger twice, am i wrong? AND - your fingering for this using 3rd finger is in no way faster - it's totally uncomfortable and unnatural. And you said you don't care and it's like a "Monkey way!" - well here is what i'll tell you: It's like driving your car - and everybody drives with left hand on a wheel and right hand on a gear box - That's "monkish" right?? Well why don't you try driving with the left hand on your gear box and your right hand on your wheel. Sounds like a good idea!!  No offense but.... I smell another fight on the horizon
This post has been edited by Pavel: Jun 18 2007, 10:50 AM -------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani "PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo Batio Check out my video lessons and instructor board! |
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Jun 18 2007, 11:25 AM
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umm was that directed to me or the other dude with a strange name?
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Jun 18 2007, 12:02 PM
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This was to Fkalich - i quoted him!
-------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani "PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo Batio Check out my video lessons and instructor board! |
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Jun 19 2007, 07:25 AM
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so i was right?
but no one has really answer my question i posted before and im getting confused. 
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Jun 19 2007, 09:21 AM
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Well if it works good for you than it's great!!
And i also noticed my thumb position is changing depending on what i am playing. Think i will work a bit more on that! Anyway - nice discussion! John: As i said - visit the Luca Turilli Style lesson - i think it's in the last video - those sweeps you are wondering about - i give a little tip on them there!
-------------------- "It isn't how many years you have been playing, it's how many hours." -- Prashant Aswani "PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!" -- Michael Angelo Batio Check out my video lessons and instructor board! |
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