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post Oct 17 2012, 09:05 AM
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Thought I'd share this from Dave Weiner. It's really good.
If you don't know Dave plays in Steve Vai's band. great player.

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post Oct 17 2012, 02:30 PM
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thanx for the video.
I discovered the "lick of the week" series of dave weiner and the videos are very useful for me...


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post Oct 17 2012, 03:24 PM
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Thanks for sharing! Yeah, I have Dave's solo album and I really recommend it. I bought it directly by his website.

This video is very useful to do a quick look at the modes, how they sound and how to practice them to incorporate their sound into our minds... I like his approach on this one because he bases on practising creating musical ideas... so you are practising and creating music at the same time.


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post Oct 17 2012, 09:44 PM
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He really is a MONSTER player. I"m surprised more folks don't know about him. But Vai does cast a pretty long shadow smile.gif


QUOTE (zoom @ Oct 17 2012, 04:05 AM) *
Thought I'd share this from Dave Weiner. It's really good.
If you don't know Dave plays in Steve Vai's band. great player.




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post Oct 18 2012, 06:40 AM
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Thanks for sharing! It was very useful!


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post Oct 18 2012, 06:13 PM
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That was a very cool video Zoom thanks for sharing man smile.gif I first heard it explained by Joe Satriani and it was like a huge moment of revelation for me



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post Oct 18 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Oct 18 2012, 02:13 PM) *
That was a very cool video Zoom thanks for sharing man smile.gif I first heard it explained by Joe Satriani and it was like a huge moment of revelation for me



Cool one! I also learnt this Pitch Axis method by Joe.


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post Oct 18 2012, 09:53 PM
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My knowledge of Modes is pretty basic but it does allow me to effectively play fairly comfortably in any mode. Although again, it is very basic. I haven't wrapped my head around which notes are accented across all of the modes and my playing tends to sound more like running through scales than a melodic masterpiece.

I basically just know 5 universal shapes, I guess 5 shapes of the major scale. And where to play them depending on the key and the mode I want to be in. I would love to be able to dig in deeper and get a real understanding of things. To me that's where the most powerful melodies come from.

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post Oct 19 2012, 05:51 AM
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QUOTE (gregc1 @ Oct 18 2012, 05:53 PM) *
My knowledge of Modes is pretty basic but it does allow me to effectively play fairly comfortably in any mode. Although again, it is very basic. I haven't wrapped my head around which notes are accented across all of the modes and my playing tends to sound more like running through scales than a melodic masterpiece.

I basically just know 5 universal shapes, I guess 5 shapes of the major scale. And where to play them depending on the key and the mode I want to be in. I would love to be able to dig in deeper and get a real understanding of things. To me that's where the most powerful melodies come from.


So you should use Satriani's approach to get the best from the modes!



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post Oct 19 2012, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 19 2012, 04:51 AM) *
So you should use Satriani's approach to get the best from the modes!




Thanks Gab! That's actually a really good video. He describes me perfectly in that 'the scale dictates what I play rather than me taking ownership of the scale'.


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post Oct 19 2012, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 19 2012, 06:51 AM) *


great link!!
the whole professor shred series is worth watching....

concerning modes: I gave up on understanding the modes in full a long time ago... so I know about the concept und I use them when the chords change underneth a solo but I never thought of a progression as lydian or dorian or so....


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This is great stuff! I watched them all. I was never too familiar with modes or knowing in terms of what I was actually playing before. It is starting to sink in a little at a time and I can see it will be beneficial to my own playing. At least I know now that I tend to use a lot of Mixolydian.


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QUOTE (gregc1 @ Oct 19 2012, 09:59 AM) *
Thanks Gab! That's actually a really good video. He describes me perfectly in that 'the scale dictates what I play rather than me taking ownership of the scale'.


That's the key! I enjoy this Guthrie's video a lot... I have seen it many times and I always recommend it.


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QUOTE (wollace03 @ Oct 19 2012, 02:22 PM) *
great link!!
the whole professor shred series is worth watching....

concerning modes: I gave up on understanding the modes in full a long time ago... so I know about the concept und I use them when the chords change underneth a solo but I never thought of a progression as lydian or dorian or so....


God bless Guthrie for his wisdom! I always like to look at modes like that, rather than shapes.


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post Oct 29 2012, 05:52 PM
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I understand the modes, and can hear the difference of each when playing over a drone note or perhaps a 1 or 2 chord vamp.

BUT

and this is probably because every thing I play is pretty much very diatonic and either major (ionian based) or minor (aeolian based) chord progressions

When it comes to me composing something that maybe I want to compose a piece that sounds for example Lydian, I can't get my head around creating a 4 chord or whatever progression that changes chord every 2 bars, I understand the IV chord should be the chord to focus on and resolve to.

Am I missing something do I need to add chords with extensions on them to help get that Lydian sound?


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post Oct 30 2012, 11:17 PM
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Hmmmm, I think that extending the number of bars for each chord could help a lot smile.gif

For instance if we have Amajadd9 Bmajadd11 G#minor - this is a nice Lydian progression which can be treated from two perspectives:

- either emphasize the mode throughout, by playing D# here and there while changing chords each bar
- either holding each chord for a greater number of bars and then allowing yourself to experiment with the Lydian over the Amajadd99 and then shifting towards other modes on the other 2 chords? An approach which is most definitely a bit more jazzier but offers a lot of possibilities smile.gif

What do ya think?

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post Oct 31 2012, 07:53 AM
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That makes sense, and why a modal approach has never seemed to work for most of the music I normally play.

I shall try your example later when I can get to a guitar.

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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 31 2012, 06:53 AM) *
That makes sense, and why a modal approach has never seemed to work for most of the music I normally play.

I shall try your example later when I can get to a guitar.

Thanks


The pleasure is all mine mate! You can also check out the link below, where there's a cornucopia of info on modes, so if you want to talk about some of them, please let me know smile.gif

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=564197


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post Oct 31 2012, 10:35 AM
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Thanks Cosmin

I always forget to look at the Video chat notes, tones of stuff there to help me


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 17 2012, 03:24 PM) *
Thanks for sharing! Yeah, I have Dave's solo album and I really recommend it. I bought it directly by his website.

This video is very useful to do a quick look at the modes, how they sound and how to practice them to incorporate their sound into our minds... I like his approach on this one because he bases on practising creating musical ideas... so you are practising and creating music at the same time.


Yeah Gab I really liked this because you can hear how these modes sound in a musical sense. I think if I can get my ears working better I'll end up a better player.
I would be surprised if there are any instructors here at GMC that don't have relative pitch.

I'm thinking that doing what Dave did at the end would be a good practice method for developing your ear and hearing modal playing. What do you think?
Question? If you hear a song do you go - ha yeah nice dorian solo? In other words because your ear is trained you hear this straight away?
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