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Todd Simpson
post Dec 15 2012, 06:30 PM
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This is just plain horrible. Yet another mass shooting this time in a Grade school. 20 children lost their lives in this tragedy. I don't know how any human could be capable of this level of pure malice. I'm sick and disgusted that the shooter is one of my own countrymen. This is the second shooting in just a couple of weeks. The last one at a Mall just got off the news rotation. All of this before the Holidays as well. The entire country is in a state of shock.



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post Dec 15 2012, 06:43 PM
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Heard about it yesterday, this is truly horrible.
It's all over the news here as well. And you're right, it's a shame that this happens at this time of the year.

I really hope there won't be more shootings now that this one got so much attention. Might just be my imagination, but in the past these tragedies always came in groups, as if other lunatics felt encouraged.

What a horrible christmas for the families.


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post Dec 15 2012, 07:34 PM
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I really don't don't know what to say to all this. I've deliberately stayed away from the details because it's just too upsetting. Bless those kids and my heart goes out to those parents and anyone affected.


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post Dec 15 2012, 08:47 PM
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Shocking and disgusting... So young children... sad.gif

I think US need to look over their weapon laws. Too many of these shootings have been conducted with legal weapons that come from the shooter's home. Or obtained legally where the gunmen were adults...




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post Dec 15 2012, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (ztevie @ Dec 15 2012, 08:47 PM) *
Shocking and disgusting... So young children... sad.gif

I think US need to look over their weapon laws. Too many of these shootings have been conducted with legal weapons that come from the shooter's home. Or obtained legally where the gunmen were adults...

you have neglected some facts ,
he criminally stole his mothers gun
, he criminally walked onto a school campus
, he criminally shot several people
he violated at least four laws, so what are more laws going to do except take away guns from the law abiding citizens and leave only the criminals with guns

laws are only good for those that obey them
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post Dec 15 2012, 10:51 PM
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It's not just the US and guns aren't the only weapons. sad.gif

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post Dec 16 2012, 01:24 AM
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you also have to ask if the people raised on violent games are finally coming of age
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post Dec 16 2012, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 15 2012, 10:24 PM) *
you have neglected some facts ,
he criminally stole his mothers gun
, he criminally walked onto a school campus
, he criminally shot several people
he violated at least four laws, so what are more laws going to do except take away guns from the law abiding citizens and leave only the criminals with guns

laws are only good for those that obey them

You're right...


But if it were harder to get a gun in the first place, maybe his mother wouldn't have had a gun to steal? But it's a difficult question. I understand people voting for their right to carry a gun to protect themselves, but looking at the whole picture I believe it would be fewer shootings with more restrictions. Harder to get hold of a gun is one thing, another is that children don't learn to handle guns at an early age.

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It's not just the US and guns aren't the only weapons.


Of course... Guns are very convinient for these kind of lunatics though. This guy in China would probably not have gotten that far in a US school with the security there?




Here in Sweden we never had a mass murder like this, altough it's probably just a question of time. Our neighbours Finland had two, and they have the most liberal gun laws in northern europe. Then again, the exception to the rule is worst of them all. Anders Behring Breivik in Norway, also a neighbour country...

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post Dec 16 2012, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 15 2012, 03:24 PM) *
you have neglected some facts ,
he criminally stole his mothers gun
, he criminally walked onto a school campus
, he criminally shot several people
he violated at least four laws, so what are more laws going to do except take away guns from the law abiding citizens and leave only the criminals with guns

laws are only good for those that obey them

Great point jstcrsn my thoughts exactly!
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post Dec 16 2012, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (ztevie @ Dec 16 2012, 01:35 AM) *
You're right...


But if it were harder to get a gun in the first place, maybe his mother wouldn't have had a gun to steal? But it's a difficult question. I understand people voting for their right to carry a gun to protect themselves, but looking at the whole picture I believe it would be fewer shootings with more restrictions. Harder to get hold of a gun is one thing, another is that children don't learn to handle guns at an early age.



Of course... Guns are very convinient for these kind of lunatics though. This guy in China would probably not have gotten that far in a US school with the security there?




Here in Sweden we never had a mass murder like this, altough it's probably just a question of time. Our neighbours Finland had two, and they have the most liberal gun laws in northern europe. Then again, the exception to the rule is worst of them all. Anders Behring Breivik in Norway, also a neighbour country...

as far as hypothetical s- there futile, so I cant respond to something that cant be proven one way or the other,
but you can take the spoon from the fat person yet you haven't solved the problem
in the same way we want to take the guns away without addressing the problem
we glorify gangs and gang violence
we glorify movie stars killing in their movies
we raise our children not to respect anyone else but to seek their own selfish needs
and teach them to shoot to kill in games

what do you expect ?
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post Dec 16 2012, 04:55 AM
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QUOTE (ztevie @ Dec 15 2012, 03:35 PM) *
But if it were harder to get a gun in the first place, maybe his mother wouldn't have had a gun to steal? But it's a difficult question. I understand people voting for their right to carry a gun to protect themselves, but looking at the whole picture I believe it would be fewer shootings with more restrictions. Harder to get hold of a gun is one thing, another is that children don't learn to handle guns at an early age.


You would be mistaken in the belief there would be fewer shootings with more restrictions, Statistics in this country overwhelmingly show that cities and states with strict gun laws have far greater crime rates across the board, especially crimes involving guns than cities and states that have more liberal gun laws. Not only that but for every life that is taken with a gun in the act of a crime, the number of people saved by responsible people with guns are multitudes higher.
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post Dec 16 2012, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 15 2012, 09:24 PM) *
you have neglected some facts ,
he criminally stole his mothers gun
, he criminally walked onto a school campus
, he criminally shot several people
he violated at least four laws, so what are more laws going to do except take away guns from the law abiding citizens and leave only the criminals with guns

laws are only good for those that obey them


Agreed. Anyone wanting to commit such heinous acts as this will obtain the weapons in ways that the law abiding citizens wouldn't be able to, while the law abiding citizens are punished by making it tougher on them to have their own protection. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a full on shoot out is the way to deal with any situation, but it's not the guns doing the killing... it's the people doing the killing. The guns are just the tools being used, if none were available then it would be some makeshift explosive device.... Definitely not looking to argue the point, but it's just the facts. People are going to kill regardless, once they have gotten that sick it's just going to happen with whatever they can get their hands on. McVeigh didn't use guns and he killed 168 people en masse. sad.gif

Our children become more and more desensitized every day. Not picking on video games cause I love my share of them, but a video game where the goal is to kill as many people as you can is what has become the baby sitters for young kids today. Parents will let their kids sit in front of these things for hours on end with out caring what they are about just so long the kid isn't "bothering" them by wanting some of their attention. It literally sickens me to be online and hearing these young kids cursing and talking about blowing someone's "F'n" head off in these video game chats. It's not even a ban on the media, guns, video games or any of that... its about the core values that are not being taught to children by their parents any more. That is truly what sickens me the most. It seems that there is absolutely no respect being taught to children these days and it's going to come back to haunt us... Sad sad days ahead indeed.


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post Dec 16 2012, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 16 2012, 02:20 AM) *
as far as hypothetical s- there futile, so I cant respond to something that cant be proven one way or the other,
but you can take the spoon from the fat person yet you haven't solved the problem
in the same way we want to take the guns away without addressing the problem
we glorify gangs and gang violence
we glorify movie stars killing in their movies
we raise our children not to respect anyone else but to seek their own selfish needs
and teach them to shoot to kill in games

what do you expect ?



Yes i totally agree with THAT !

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post Dec 16 2012, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (mroberts70 @ Dec 16 2012, 05:32 AM) *
Our children become more and more desensitized every day.


That is one thing I whole heartedly agree with. One thing I notice in people that are not even that much younger than me is that they seem to have no concept of empathy for human suffering. It's viewed just as if they were observing a weather update or something. The more 'involving' our technology and games become, the more removed we are from other people.. to the point that when someone views another person in distress or hurt or worse, the instinct is not to help but to observe and to capture the event on one's phone.



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