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> K1r's Path To Improvising
Cosmin Lupu
post Dec 20 2012, 12:11 PM
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Hello K-man! It actually sounds like that mean south american croc - the caiman biggrin.gif

So tell me a bit of a history about yourself so we can start, k? What do you know about improvising so far and what theory knowledge do you have?

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post Dec 20 2012, 02:21 PM
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Hello C-man! biggrin.gif

Well, I've been playing since i was about 9 and the progress in my playing went smoothly all the time untill I decided to play jazz biggrin.gif
Now I feel like I've been trampling the same spot for quite a long time. I know standard major and minor scales and pentatonics. I've recently learnt modes, not perfectly though smile.gif I also know arpeggios and half-whole scale, but not perfectly as well..

I think the real problem for me is jazz phrasing. I don't really know which scale/mode should I play over which progression/chord, though I know that every mode has its step in a scale (I-Ionian, II-Dorian, III-Phrygian etc...) . It is hard for me to play over fast harmony changes. When a harmony is easy for me, I can improvise over it, but I get bored of my own improvisation, as it doesn't seem to be interesting. dry.gif


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Hey K, I was thinking smile.gif Can you record yourself improvising over a backing track of your choice? I would be curious to hear you play and phrase.

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 21 2012, 06:08 PM) *
Hey K, I was thinking smile.gif Can you record yourself improvising over a backing track of your choice? I would be curious to hear you play and phrase.

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Okay. The recording will be here tomorrow! smile.gif


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Great K! Let's see what you got for me! biggrin.gif


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https://soundcloud.com/user875248364/bluebossaimpro
Hello C! smile.gif
Here it is. I chose Blue Bossa backing track, but this one was more modern that traditional bossa. What I've noticed myself is that I should change the pace more often.
Looking forward for your comments biggrin.gif

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Hello K! Wow, man, I have to admit, since I last listened to your playing, you have improved A BIG, BIG LOT! Congratulations to you biggrin.gif

Indeed, it's a bit linear but it has coherence, direction and flow, good timing and roundness, which are very important. I have one question regarding what you have recorded - have you played what you have heard in your head? Or did you take the time to analyze the chord progression and see what you could come up with in steps smile.gif Describe the creation process a bit please biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 24 2012, 10:59 AM) *
Hello K! Wow, man, I have to admit, since I last listened to your playing, you have improved A BIG, BIG LOT! Congratulations to you biggrin.gif

Indeed, it's a bit linear but it has coherence, direction and flow, good timing and roundness, which are very important. I have one question regarding what you have recorded - have you played what you have heard in your head? Or did you take the time to analyze the chord progression and see what you could come up with in steps smile.gif Describe the creation process a bit please biggrin.gif

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Hello C! Thank a lot! biggrin.gif

Well, mostly I tried to improvise playing what I heard in my head, but sometimes I also tried to think about what to play, like playing half-whole scale on G7, AbMaj7 arpeggio over Fm7 as they are parallel and switching to C locrian (or is it just Db major scale?) from the 9th till the 12th bar (Ebm7-Ab7-Dbmaj7-Dbmaj7) as theese chords are from Db major scale (II-V-I) smile.gif Also, there is a moment when I played pentatonics because i thought it would be good for making some kind of climax in the solo smile.gif

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Hehe, it's just as I thought smile.gif This is a good approach as it combines knowledge with feeling things, which usually conducts to great results. I have an idea smile.gif What if we would approach this in the following way: I give you a theme and you have to strive to get as close to emulating that feeling by using whatever means you like.

For instance, I would like you to build a short chord progression - 3 chords and make me think about the rain smile.gif In order to come up with this, we need to find the suitable chords, the suitable scales, the right interpretation and the way in which the lines are built so that they may create the right atmosphere. It might be tricky but it can prove to be the ultimate tool for releasing self expression through improvisation smile.gif

How does this sound?

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 26 2012, 11:13 AM) *
Hehe, it's just as I thought smile.gif This is a good approach as it combines knowledge with feeling things, which usually conducts to great results. I have an idea smile.gif What if we would approach this in the following way: I give you a theme and you have to strive to get as close to emulating that feeling by using whatever means you like.

For instance, I would like you to build a short chord progression - 3 chords and make me think about the rain smile.gif In order to come up with this, we need to find the suitable chords, the suitable scales, the right interpretation and the way in which the lines are built so that they may create the right atmosphere. It might be tricky but it can prove to be the ultimate tool for releasing self expression through improvisation smile.gif

How does this sound?

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Hello! Sounds like a great idea! Shall I already start with the rain? smile.gif
Well, I've always associated minor add9 chords with rain and major add9 chords with dawn smile.gif So I think the chord progression should be based on a minor add9 chord.
Maybe something like Cadd9|Amadd9|Fadd9|Amadd9?
It sounds kinda like cheerful or, a more suitable word - bright sorrow smile.gif
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QUOTE (K1R @ Dec 26 2012, 01:05 PM) *
Hello! Sounds like a great idea! Shall I already start with the rain? smile.gif
Well, I've always associated minor add9 chords with rain and major add9 chords with dawn smile.gif So I think the chord progression should be based on a minor add9 chord.
Maybe something like Cadd9|Amadd9|Fadd9|Amadd9?
It sounds kinda like cheerful or, a more suitable word - bright sorrow smile.gif
What do you think?


I think this sounds like a plan wink.gif and yes, let's start with the rain idea first biggrin.gif Don't forget to think about all the aspects of rain - maybe a storm? A calm rain, big drops, small drops, cold weather, summer rain... A lot of things you can use biggrin.gif

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One question: are there any scales I can play over this progression except for Am scale?


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Well, one approach you could try would be to allow each chord to extend over a bar or two and use the C Ionian mode over the Cadd9, the Amadd9 could go well with the A Aeolian, A Harmonic minor or A Dorian, Fadd9 could work with the F Lydian smile.gif The idea here is to have enough time to use the modes over each chord smile.gif



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