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Jan 28 2015, 01:19 PM
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Hi mate, I'm writing about the new sample that you've sent of your song. I had a small issue that I'd like to share because it can be used as a part of the feedback. I listened to the tune twice and I couldn't really identify the structure, even having your description. It would help If you can give me timings for each part but this shows that the parts still need some work give the song a more defined evolution. I notice that the overall tune is a bit linear and this are some possible reasons:
- Groove: You said that you still have to work on drums, I think that at least some early changes for the different parts can bring some clarity to the structure. - Harmony: The chord progressions used for each part are similar, there is a clear movement on any of the parts. I usually see the verse as the beginning of the story, the pre chorus as a tense moment, and the chorus the release or explossion of that tense pre chorus. I don't feel it on this song. I think that maybe changing a bit the pre chorus progression could be a good plan. - Arrangements: There is no apparent change in instruments, type of arrangements and what's leading the tune in different parts. We have the looped drum, the backing guitar and a lead guitar. Arrangements, sound, and different instruments can generate different feelings and can help to differentiate the parts of your song. Other than that, I think that you song has really tasty melodies and progressions, everything sounds dreamy so you have the essential, now it's time to adjust it to make it cooler to hear. -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 28 2015, 02:27 PM
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Hi mate, yeah, sorry that I insist with drums, but as it can be one of the reasons, I cannot avoid at least add it to the list of things that can be generating the feeling that I had when I listen to the tune. Honestly, I don't think that you will find tricky to change a bit the groove, it doesn't mean that you will create the best drum groove ever, but at least something to differentiate sections could really help. Moving the snare to another beat can do the trick.
Now getting back to harmony, yes, I feel that a change in the pre chorus can really help to mark a difference between verse and chorus, and to direct the tension. Maybe staying on the Vi chord can help, or an ascending passage from the I chord to II, III, IV and V to then resolve on I for the chorus. There are many different possibilities, and it would really help to analyze some pre chorus of songs that you like listening. -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 29 2015, 02:24 PM
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Hi mate, this sounds good. It's really interesting to see you working hard on this one, trying, experimenting, doing yourself lots of questions. This is a killer learning process, it's the real learning process because you are MAKING MUSIC. As everything in life, the more your practice, the better composer you'll become, and the easier will be to transpose your ideas to your voice, guitar or multitrack software.
Let's do something more analytic, please write down here the chord progressions used for each of the parts and we will analyze what's happening together, ok? -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 29 2015, 02:54 PM
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When the riffs are single notes, you can say the root of the riff, and specified the scale or mode. For example E Phrygian Riff.
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Jan 30 2015, 03:32 PM
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Hi mate, it's cool to have the chords because now I can follow even more the structure of this one. After playing along with the song, I have a new question in mind, please let me know what you think.
Don't you feel that the pre-chorus, sounds more like a "chorus" than the "chorus"? -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 31 2015, 04:06 PM
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Hi mate, this thread is becoming really interesting. All the question that you are doing yourself should be answered by yourself. As you are on the trial and error stage, it would be very helpful to create different versions of the song trying the different possibilities for the structure and pre chorus. There is no "theory" behind it, it must be tried and then listened. There is off course always a "safe" version that will work, but going for the safe roads, and avoiding trying risky ideas is like killing your own creativity.
My thoughts about the current structure are: - The pre chorus has the harmony and structure of a chorus. It is catchy, long, and creates a cool emotion. I like the part a lot. - The chorus is not strong, it's a bit stable. I feel that it's a good intro for a song but it's weak as a chorus unless it contrasts better with the pre chorus. Both combines don't work for me. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 1 2015, 10:16 PM
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Hi mate, this has been a tricky to follow post, but I found it cool because I can see a bit what's happening in your mind while you create and analyse your music. Our thoughts aren't totally clear when we are creating genuine music, so feel happy and enjoy this process.
In the last phrases of your post I could notice that we agree 100% about the current status of your composition. You used other words, but to summarize the idea is the same. I listened again and I still think this: - The pre chorus has the harmony and structure of a chorus. It is catchy, long, and creates a cool emotion. I like the part a lot. - The chorus is not strong, it's a bit stable. I feel that it's a good intro for a song but it's weak as a chorus unless it contrasts better with the pre chorus. Both combines don't work for me. So I think that your idea of re-working the chorus is definitely a good plan to go. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 2 2015, 02:51 PM
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Sounds great! Looking forward a new version.
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Feb 5 2015, 02:48 PM
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Hi mate, take your time to find the right way for this song. Composing is not something logical, there are some songs that appear clearly soon, while others take many time to take shape and finally be completed. There are no rules about it, so take your time, enjoy the journey, and off course start some new ideas songs if they appear.
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Feb 6 2015, 07:57 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEZjQ3QLr0
Here is a teaser video I might have come up with a solo line for the chorus. It was kind of originally made for the intro rythm. Maybe with another rythm it could work out as a chorus or Ill try something else. Looks beatiful man |
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Feb 7 2015, 03:25 PM
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The teaser looks interesting, let's see if they reveal more info about it. I'll wait for news about the song!
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Apr 23 2015, 06:55 PM
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Hello Gabriel!
Work has eased of a bit. The reason I have worked so much this season, is cause Im going to study next year and need money for that. Anyway I have stopped producing musical ideas for a little while, moslty cause I no longer have a direction. By that I mean, I dont know what music I want to write anymore. Right now learning this song and will put a cover up of this one, beatiful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQnIDmfLFw |
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