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Cosmin Lupu
post Jan 11 2013, 11:47 AM
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Thought I'd show you guys how the studio in which I recorded with Voodoo two years ago looks like and what sort of equipment it has. It's pretty much the nicest and the most well equipped recording studio in Bucharest. The prices for audio recording? - 50 Euros/ hour- price which includes recording, mixing and mastering. What do you guys think?

http://www.isv.ro/EN/


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post Jan 11 2013, 12:02 PM
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Which studio were you in Cosmin, A or B?

The equipment in A is fine for recording and mixing and about the same as I'd expect to find in the some of the smaller/mid sized pro studios here and elsewhere in Europe but even with the TC 6000 the studios are not for mastering. 50 Euros/hour though is a good rate for recording and mixing particularly if it included an experienced engineer.


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post Jan 11 2013, 12:09 PM
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It looks very good for the price, you'd be hard pressed to find anything like that for the money in the UK


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post Jan 11 2013, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jan 11 2013, 11:09 AM) *
It looks very good for the price, you'd be hard pressed to find anything like that for the money in the UK


A professional UK studio would almost certainly have much higher overheads to meet at least in terms of business taxes, rates, services and wage costs. I couldn't charge our rates for mastering and be in the UK for the same reasons - and that's even after allowing for the fact that about 65% of my turnover goes to the Spanish government in taxes.


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post Jan 11 2013, 01:04 PM
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Wow, that's such a nice studio, Cosmin.
I don't know much about the recording scene prices in Europe, but the 50 Euros price per hour sounds very good for me.


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post Jan 11 2013, 02:53 PM
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Awesome! The equipment is killer and the floorplan looks very good. It's an amazing experience to record in an studio of this level.


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post Jan 12 2013, 10:34 AM
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I am glad to hear that the prices are good in respect to the conditions and I have to add that the sound engineer is good and experienced, so I think, as I already told Tony, we will most definitely record there for the next DOC album smile.gif


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post Jan 12 2013, 11:28 AM
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cool.gif Verry cool Cosmin !!
I whas never in a studio !..it must have a special vibe ?!..is it ?
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post Jan 12 2013, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (azureus @ Jan 12 2013, 10:28 AM) *
cool.gif Verry cool Cosmin !!
I whas never in a studio !..it must have a special vibe ?!..is it ?


Oh yes it does! Especially when the clock is ticking and you know that you will have to pay for another hour because you are not able to record in a better pace laugh.gif


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post Jan 12 2013, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 12 2013, 11:33 AM) *
Oh yes it does! Especially when the clock is ticking and you know that you will have to pay for another hour because you are not able to record in a better pace laugh.gif


Heheh that is when you wish you had put in more practice hours smile.gif
When we recorded an album we made a flat rate deal with the studio, but when we a year later re-recorded some remixes it was based on "per hour rate". The album recording was awesome but we were under a lot of pressure the 2nd time (per hour). Its just not the same.

That is why I love the idea of having a quality "home" studio and possibility to record in your own project studio. The energy of the recording made in such environment is so much better - it can be heard on the actual recording in terms of dynamics and details.


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post Jan 12 2013, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 12 2013, 06:08 PM) *
Heheh that is when you wish you had put in more practice hours smile.gif
When we recorded an album we made a flat rate deal with the studio, but when we a year later re-recorded some remixes it was based on "per hour rate". The album recording was awesome but we were under a lot of pressure the 2nd time (per hour). Its just not the same.

That is why I love the idea of having a quality "home" studio and possibility to record in your own project studio. The energy of the recording made in such environment is so much better - it can be heard on the actual recording in terms of dynamics and details.


I know what you mean Bogdan, now the thing is, at home you will probably never have the possibilities that a studio like that has so I'd rather rehearse like hell laugh.gif


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post Jan 13 2013, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 12 2013, 06:08 PM) *
Heheh that is when you wish you had put in more practice hours smile.gif
When we recorded an album we made a flat rate deal with the studio, but when we a year later re-recorded some remixes it was based on "per hour rate". The album recording was awesome but we were under a lot of pressure the 2nd time (per hour). Its just not the same.

That is why I love the idea of having a quality "home" studio and possibility to record in your own project studio. The energy of the recording made in such environment is so much better - it can be heard on the actual recording in terms of dynamics and details.


Multing and comps are your friend wink.gif .

To put the other side of the argument in favour of professional recording and mixing...

Very often what you are paying for very often is not just the studio equipment and space but also the experience of the engineer. That's something that home studio 'engineers' just can not match. A professional engineer really knows the ins and outs of their equipment and can get results quickly that can take a home studio hours to do. You only get that sort of experience after you've logged thousands of hours studio time. Even if you hire it without the resident engineer what you do get is a professional setup and equipment. This is again something that home studios generally don't do as most of them are put together 'organically' and suffer from poor gainstaging and compatability issues. Home studios also generally have poor monitoring and lack sufficient acoustic treatment.

Cosmin - take a look at my reply in the other thread.


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post Jan 14 2013, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 13 2013, 10:26 AM) *
Multing and comps are your friend wink.gif .

To put the other side of the argument in favour of professional recording and mixing...

Very often what you are paying for very often is not just the studio equipment and space but also the experience of the engineer. That's something that home studio 'engineers' just can not match. A professional engineer really knows the ins and outs of their equipment and can get results quickly that can take a home studio hours to do. You only get that sort of experience after you've logged thousands of hours studio time. Even if you hire it without the resident engineer what you do get is a professional setup and equipment. This is again something that home studios generally don't do as most of them are put together 'organically' and suffer from poor gainstaging and compatability issues. Home studios also generally have poor monitoring and lack sufficient acoustic treatment.

Cosmin - take a look at my reply in the other thread.


I very much agree with you Tony, although, in Romania, there are so few real sound engineers that I would be abel to wager you can count them on the fingers on your hands... That is incredibly little for a population of almost 22 000 000 people, right? laugh.gif


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To a great extent it doesn't surprise me Cosmin. To be a professional engineer with a proper studio is an expensive business. It's pretty much impossible to get bank/business loans to buy equipment etc as you're seen as a bad risk. So you have to generate investment from turnover and that nearly always means you pay yourself very little for a long time when you start out. If I include the build cost for our studio we have well over 100000 Euros invested - I logged a lot of studio time at 45 Euros an hour to pay that off (more or less the same rate as your Bucharest engineers).* This is all made worse as most people now think they can replicate an engineer's experience, studio and equipment with some cheap software. I've 30 years experience, logged 1000s of hours studio time, I've credits on a whole raft of projects (both independent and commercial major label), I've won industry awards, and I am professionally recognised by the audio engineering society as a mastering engineer. Many people nowadays however think they can equal that with 'mastering' vsts they have on their home studio set up.



* People might want to think how many other professionals with 30 years experience charge 45 Euros an hour.


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post Jan 15 2013, 09:52 AM
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True words here Tony! The studio that we discussed about has planned to recuperate the investment in 2017 smile.gif They invested a few million euros out of what I understood, as the villa was erected from scratch and with the clear purpose of serving as a studio, so ..a lot of money ..

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 15 2013, 08:52 AM) *
True words here Tony! The studio that we discussed about has planned to recuperate the investment in 2017 smile.gif They invested a few million euros out of what I understood, as the villa was erected from scratch and with the clear purpose of serving as a studio, so ..a lot of money ..


Same here - it's also often easier to build from scratch rather than correct existing building issues. In many cases a studio only starts to see any real return when the capital costs have been fully amortised after 10 years or more. It's a huge investment and a lot of professional studios have closed over the last few years as the property is worth much, much more than they can make running as a studio.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 15 2013, 09:31 AM) *
Same here - it's also often easier to build from scratch rather than correct existing building issues. In many cases a studio only starts to see any real return when the capital costs have been fully amortised after 10 years or more. It's a huge investment and a lot of professional studios have closed over the last few years as the property is worth much, much more than they can make running as a studio.


Sad enough... But yeah, I imagined that things go like this in the industry sad.gif


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post Jan 16 2013, 10:36 AM
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Looks great.

Although, if it were me.. try and see if you can negotiate a slightly cheaper hourly rate without mastering (probably not possible as they're already at a reduced rate as it is) and get Tony to master it.

I always think it's better to have different jobs done by different ears who specialise in those areas smile.gif



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Sorry but I have to say it, it's not the best equipped studio in Bucharest. Check out Fonogram Studios, they have some incredible stuff there including Telefunken ELAM 251, U47, Taylor Builders Reserv III, DW 40th Anniversary Kit, Fender Strat Masterbuilt by Fessler and on top of that, they have a SSL room.

I think these guys are new on the market but what they got over there is really impressive and from what I hear their engineer is amazing. Take a look

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post Jan 16 2013, 11:18 AM
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Hehe! Thank you man - I think I've seen a photo with Nicu Patoi recording there. You must be a Romanian also - am I not right? biggrin.gif


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