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post Jan 16 2013, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 16 2013, 10:18 AM) *
Hehe! Thank you man - I think I've seen a photo with Nicu Patoi recording there. You must be a Romanian also - am I not right? biggrin.gif


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post Jan 16 2013, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Jan 16 2013, 09:36 AM) *
Looks great.

Although, if it were me.. try and see if you can negotiate a slightly cheaper hourly rate without mastering (probably not possible as they're already at a reduced rate as it is) and get Tony to master it.


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I always think it's better to have different jobs done by different ears who specialise in those areas smile.gif


Totally agree with you on this Ben.


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post Jan 16 2013, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (blacklotus82 @ Jan 16 2013, 10:52 AM) *
Yes I am Cosmin smile.gif


Salutare! Imi pare bine sa mai intalnesc alti Romani pe aici smile.gif Cu cine am onoarea?

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Thank you Ben smile.gif .



Totally agree with you on this Ben.


I also agree on your thoughts guys smile.gif Tony, I'll write you back wink.gif

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post Jan 17 2013, 03:08 AM
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I gotta say man, that place is NIIIIIICCEEE!!!!! 50 Euro per hour seems like a great rate for place that spiff. Great gear, spiff layout, looks like a great place to create/record/etc. Good call!


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 11 2013, 05:47 AM) *
Thought I'd show you guys how the studio in which I recorded with Voodoo two years ago looks like and what sort of equipment it has. It's pretty much the nicest and the most well equipped recording studio in Bucharest. The prices for audio recording? - 50 Euros/ hour- price which includes recording, mixing and mastering. What do you guys think?

http://www.isv.ro/EN/



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post Jan 17 2013, 04:02 AM
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That place looks great! And with the right hands on the controls I'm sure it sounds great.

I don't know the specific economics of Romania but 50 Euros an hour in my opinion is a very good and standard ($67.00 US) price, especially since they have a really nice room - SO important to a good sound. Forget the gear for a minute. A well designed recording space is a huge part of the potentially great sound, the overall vibe/comfort and the expense. Is one or two more Neumanns or yet another 1084 gonna make or break the recording? No.
Sure you can (and I'm speaking to anybody looking to record a 'band') find a place that'll only charge you 30 Euros (or less) an hour but will you be able to set up the entire band and have ISO'd vocals and guitars ... with the space to multiple mic multiple guitar cabs?

*So many legendary albums from every era and compas point on the globe have been recorded at what many would label as 'sub-standard' and ill-equipped studios. Think classic Reggae records recorded in Jamaica. Or early Rudy Van Gelder (Blue Note and Riverside) discs done at his parents house. Or most of the SST collection. All you need is a good band, a decent space with decent gear and a guy who knows how to effectively use the gear he's got. Conversely - think about how many terrible records have been made at the 'best' studios and at great expense.

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post Jan 17 2013, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 17 2013, 03:02 AM) *
That place looks great! And with the right hands on the controls I'm sure it sounds great.

I don't know the specific economics of Romania but 50 Euros an hour in my opinion is a very good and standard ($67.00 US) price, especially since they have a really nice room - SO important to a good sound. Forget the gear for a minute. A well designed recording space is a huge part of the potentially great sound, the overall vibe/comfort and the expense. Is one or two more Neumanns or yet another 1084 gonna make or break the recording? No.
Sure you can (and I'm speaking to anybody looking to record a 'band') find a place that'll only charge you 30 Euros (or less) an hour but will you be able to set up the entire band and have ISO'd vocals and guitars ... with the space to multiple mic multiple guitar cabs?

*So many legendary albums from every era and compas point on the globe have been recorded at what many would label as 'sub-standard' and ill-equipped studios. Think classic Reggae records recorded in Jamaica. Or early Rudy Van Gelder (Blue Note and Riverside) discs done at his parents house. Or most of the SST collection. All you need is a good band, a decent space with decent gear and a guy who knows how to effectively use the gear he's got. Conversely - think about how many terrible records have been made at the 'best' studios and at great expense.


True words man smile.gif I always thought that if you lack the pro touch, you can have a Ferrari, but how do you steer it at high speed? In here, as I told Tony earlier, we lack true sound engineers.


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post Jan 17 2013, 11:34 AM
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Yes the sound stage is very important not least since if you screw up the recording it is very, very difficult to rescue the project at mixing or mastering. (A little OT - don't expect a mastering enginner to turn a bad mix in to a great one. There are limits to what we can do.) Its why most of the large professional recording studios have a variety of soundstages, if dfferent sizes for different types of recording sessions. Ultimately a great engineer will normally get better results with average equipment than an average engineer will with great equipment. A great engineer with great gear though should get stunning results. Many of the poor sounding commercial albums that were done by great pros in great studios are the result of production decisions and not a bodge by the engineer. At the end of the day we are expected to do what the producer wants as that is the 'chain of command'.

One of the interesting things about older, vinyl recordings is that all the stages would almost certainly have been done by experienced, specialist engineers. Back when I started you had different people working in a studio as the recording engineers, assistants, tape ops, balancing engineers, mastering engineers, lathe cutting engineers and so on. We all had to do a long training period before we were viewed as an engineer... Nowadays you often get one generalist, often with little real experience, trying to do everything.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 17 2013, 10:34 AM) *
Yes the sound stage is very important not least since if you screw up the recording it is very, very difficult to rescue the project at mixing or mastering. (A little OT - don't expect a mastering enginner to turn a bad mix in to a great one. There are limits to what we can do.) Its why most of the large professional recording studios have a variety of soundstages, if dfferent sizes for different types of recording sessions. Ultimately a great engineer will normally get better results with average equipment than an average engineer will with great equipment. A great engineer with great gear though should get stunning results. Many of the poor sounding commercial albums that were done by great pros in great studios are the result of production decisions and not a bodge by the engineer. At the end of the day we are expected to do what the producer wants as that is the 'chain of command'.

One of the interesting things about older, vinyl recordings is that all the stages would almost certainly have been done by experienced, specialist engineers. Back when I started you had different people working in a studio as the recording engineers, assistants, tape ops, balancing engineers, mastering engineers, lathe cutting engineers and so on. We all had to do a long training period before we were viewed as an engineer... Nowadays you often get one generalist, often with little real experience, trying to do everything.


...and what's worse, 'sound engineer' is something which makes you be regarded as another fella who didn't want to study anything 'serious enough' to do something with his life laugh.gif In Romania, until very recently, you would hear that most often with musicians as well as with sound engineers laugh.gif It's so sad it makes me wanna laugh and cry in the same time ..


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I'm always happier if the 'producer' on a project was/is also an engineer.
They tend to understand the real possibilities as well as the real limitations of what's possible considering the environment, the situation, the band (the economics), etc.

*I didn't mean to imply that an engineer was at fault with a bad record. Sorry, I was unclear about that.
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 17 2013, 04:03 PM) *
I'm always happier if the 'producer' on a project was/is also an engineer.
They tend to understand the real possibilities as well as the real limitations of what's possible considering the environment, the situation, the band (the economics), etc.

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Same here. A lot of producers though seem to be someone whose experience is that they sang on some minor top 100 single once.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 17 2013, 04:09 PM) *
Same here. A lot of producers though seem to be someone whose experience is that they sang on some minor top 100 single once.


Can you believe that we don't have a rock/ metal producer in here? The only producers are focused on dance/ pop/ rnb and hip hop. PERIOD!

At one point when I get older, I'd like to start producing with one of my band mates in Days of Confusion - he's got tremendous skills in that direction and it would be fun and rewarding to help bands release awesome materials smile.gif


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In my experience there's a hugh difference between an indifferent producer and a good producer. The former tend to be opinionated but the opinions often lack substance and often are not practical or possible. The latter generally have some, often a very good, understanding of music composition and arrangement, they are aware of current music trends and have a lot of experience of the entire music production process including real hands on studio experience. They also have excellent communication and project management skills and excellent music industry contacts.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jan 18 2013, 09:16 AM) *
In my experience there's a hugh difference between an indifferent producer and a good producer. The former tend to be opinionated but the opinions often lack substance and often are not practical or possible. The latter generally have some, often a very good, understanding of music composition and arrangement, they are aware of current music trends and have a lot of experience of the entire music production process including real hands on studio experience. They also have excellent communication and project management skills and excellent music industry contacts.


Both producers and engineers who at least played in bands for a little while have been the better ones - in my experience.

*If you haven't already I'd suggest this 'read' ... http://www.mixerman.net/diaries1.php


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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 18 2013, 02:07 PM) *
Both producers and engineers who at least played in bands for a little while have been the better ones - in my experience.

*If you haven't already I'd suggest this 'read' ... http://www.mixerman.net/diaries1.php


Let's see what you got here for us in this article smile.gif


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post Jan 18 2013, 11:38 PM
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It's more of a soap opera (telenovela) really.

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post Jan 19 2013, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 18 2013, 10:38 PM) *
It's more of a soap opera (telenovela) really.


Didn't manage to read it yet - but after finishing my coffee I'll give it a go biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 11 2013, 11:47 AM) *
Thought I'd show you guys how the studio in which I recorded with Voodoo two years ago looks like and what sort of equipment it has. It's pretty much the nicest and the most well equipped recording studio in Bucharest. The prices for audio recording? - 50 Euros/ hour- price which includes recording, mixing and mastering. What do you guys think?

http://www.isv.ro/EN/


Wow that is really cheap compared to the prices here in the netherlands.


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What sort of prices have you encountered snack?


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