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unclemeat
post Jan 12 2013, 05:37 AM
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I cannot sing. It's an atrocity when I try. But, as long as the wife is out of the house and the dog is asleep, I will try to work at it and hope one day I improve.

Having a tough time playing and singing some random stuff. Nothing complicated, but mainly cover songs where the singer doesn't play guitar. So the vocals don't follow the strumming pattern & changes all that much.

Any tips?

Doesn't seem like just learning to play something where slowing it down helps much. That seems to make it a ton more difficult actually. I can play the guitar parts after a half bottle of gin, but as soon as I try to sing, it all falls apart. Practice practice practice, I know, but there has to be an efficient way to go about it...
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post Jan 12 2013, 07:46 AM
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I've been singing all my life. Those type of songs are tricky, you have to be able to do one of those parts in your sleep, so your brain can concentrate on the other.

Work out where the start of vocal lines fall in the guitar rhythm part, or how the awkward phrases fit with the rhythm part and try and focus on that. In a normal song your vocal line would start on a down beat so your brain is used to that.

Try singing the melody without the words, so you can get the timing, without your brain having to think about lyrics, you can add the lyrics once you're comfortable with the melody and accompaniment.

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post Jan 12 2013, 08:43 AM
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I sing when I want to get in the front of a line somewhere, or need to clear out the movie theater to get a good seat. That's when and how well I sing...


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post Jan 12 2013, 09:38 AM
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That's a typical problem i think with many guitarists when they want to learn how to sing.

Try singing along to the song until you can nail it with the recording. Then, sing it on your own, no guitar, until you're comfortable doing that. And then bring the guitar in and sing while you are strumming/picking the guitar.

That might help ease things in on the guitar rather than just jumping right to it.


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post Jan 12 2013, 10:49 AM
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This is what I have been working on for the last year or so smile.gif Singing while playing the guitar, is a must for me as I am also the front man in my band and I want to play the guitar on stage and sing like there's no tomorrow.

I am facing some nasty rhythmic formulas while having to sing against a heavy layer of vocal melodies and also follow sometimes complex song structures, so here's my approach:

- learn the vocal line and be able to sing and interpret it as the song requires
- same with the guitar lines - I always choose the easiest guitar parts when also having to sing, but some of you guys might not afford this luxury, as you may very well be the only guitar player in the band. We are three guitarists, so that makes things a bit easier for me.
- listen to the vocal line and the guitar line together and observe the accents and where the chord changes occur, so that you may be able to set some landmarks while learning. Some chords will change when a certain syllable is sung and so on. These little things help enormously.
- sing against the recorded guitar part and listen to those changes I was talking about in the lines above - observe them and internalize them. Know when they occur.
- play the guitar against the vocal recording and observe the chord changes against the vocal line
- play and sing - use a clean tone - at a slow tempo - it's going to suck and it will be difficult at first, but eventually you'll manage, IF you internalized the things I was speaking about above.
- raise speed until you can sing and play at the desired tempo smile.gif

This is pretty much how I do it


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post Jan 12 2013, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jan 12 2013, 09:49 AM) *
This is what I have been working on for the last year or so smile.gif Singing while playing the guitar, is a must for me as I am also the front man in my band and I want to play the guitar on stage and sing like there's no tomorrow.

I am facing some nasty rhythmic formulas while having to sing against a heavy layer of vocal melodies and also follow sometimes complex song structures, so here's my approach:

- learn the vocal line and be able to sing and interpret it as the song requires
- same with the guitar lines - I always choose the easiest guitar parts when also having to sing, but some of you guys might not afford this luxury, as you may very well be the only guitar player in the band. We are three guitarists, so that makes things a bit easier for me.
- listen to the vocal line and the guitar line together and observe the accents and where the chord changes occur, so that you may be able to set some landmarks while learning. Some chords will change when a certain syllable is sung and so on. These little things help enormously.
- sing against the recorded guitar part and listen to those changes I was talking about in the lines above - observe them and internalize them. Know when they occur.
- play the guitar against the vocal recording and observe the chord changes against the vocal line
- play and sing - use a clean tone - at a slow tempo - it's going to suck and it will be difficult at first, but eventually you'll manage, IF you internalized the things I was speaking about above.
- raise speed until you can sing and play at the desired tempo smile.gif



This is pretty much how I do it



You did some of this during your last vchat. It was interesting to me and I understood how and why you did it, but unfortunately if I tried to sing out something, my guitar playing would be ten times worse if I tried to replicate it from voice.... or I'd start out trying to do a nice melody and it would sound like I was making a mating call to a rabid wildebeest.... Not sure how I'd play that on the guitar.. or want to for that matter.

I do find it interesting, but it will not be a tool in my box for sure. There will be no singing for me.

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post Jan 13 2013, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (mroberts70 @ Jan 12 2013, 06:19 PM) *
You did some of this during your last vchat. It was interesting to me and I understood how and why you did it, but unfortunately if I tried to sing out something, my guitar playing would be ten times worse if I tried to replicate it from voice.... or I'd start out trying to do a nice melody and it would sound like I was making a mating call to a rabid wildebeest.... Not sure how I'd play that on the guitar.. or want to for that matter.

I do find it interesting, but it will not be a tool in my box for sure. There will be no singing for me.


Well, I had to do it man smile.gif And I am not sorry for choosing this path - it opened up awesome possibilities and freedom of expression!


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post Jan 24 2013, 03:43 PM
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I'm slow to respond - but thanks for the great tips folks! I'll definitely be trying some of these things out. As someone who is primarily a guitarist, it's natural to just learn the guitar and try to add vocals. I really should learn the vocals as it's own thing and put the guitar down.
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post Jan 25 2013, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (unclemeat @ Jan 24 2013, 02:43 PM) *
I'm slow to respond - but thanks for the great tips folks! I'll definitely be trying some of these things out. As someone who is primarily a guitarist, it's natural to just learn the guitar and try to add vocals. I really should learn the vocals as it's own thing and put the guitar down.


You most definitely should smile.gif I am currently trying a new technique of rehearsing with the guitar and voice at home - playing the guitar and JUST mimicking the vocals, so you can hear what you are playing but have a sort of a rhythmic connection between the voice and the guitar biggrin.gif

Sounds tricky but it's not really biggrin.gif I should make a video, right? laugh.gif


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