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MonkeyDAthos
post Jan 28 2013, 04:59 PM
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Sorry my ignorace, i was never that big on issues gear related.

So this is actually it's the first time that such thing occurs.

The main problem seems to be revolving in the G and B Strings. when i do whole-tone bends bang they snap out of tune, some times i just look away for one sec and bang the guitar goes flat on me dry.gif?

(already replaced the strings with new ones and stuff, still the same situation)


PS: it's on my SG to no floating trem, whatsoever.

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post Jan 28 2013, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 28 2013, 10:59 AM) *
Sorry my ignorace, i was never that big on issues gear related.

So this is actually it's the first time that such thing occurs.

The main problem seems to be revolving in the G and B Strings. when i do whole-tone bends bang they snap out of tune, some times i just look away for one sec and bang the guitar goes flat on me dry.gif?

(already replaced the strings with new ones and stuff, still the same situation)



I'm certainly no expert on guitar luthiering, but in my past experience I've found that with cheaper end tuners (and I am not implying that you have cheap tuners) however usually on cheaper tuners before I've changed them out, I would tighten any visible screws (if any). sometimes this would help, sometimes not.

I do know that also the amount of windings that you have with the string at the tuners can cause tuning issues if you have too much string sitting there. Again, I am not an expert so you may want to look this up.... or one of the other guys can tell your for sure I would imagine. wink.gif

I believe a good rule of thumb is to have about 3 full turns of string only per tuner as to keep the slack to a minimum for reasons similar to what you are currently experiencing. I keep about three on mine with no issues.... and of course with new strings you want to bend and tune a few times to stretch them out a bit as well.

That's about all I got... hope it helps. smile.gif


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post Jan 28 2013, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 28 2013, 10:59 AM) *
Sorry my ignorace, i was never that big on issues gear related.

So this is actually it's the first time that such thing occurs.

The main problem seems to be revolving in the G and B Strings. when i do whole-tone bends bang they snap out of tune, some times i just look away for one sec and bang the guitar goes flat on me dry.gif?

(already replaced the strings with new ones and stuff, still the same situation)


PS: it's on my SG to no floating trem, whatsoever.


I would say take it to an experience luthier to have it fixed or if you need a quick fix. Grab a number 2 pencil sharpen that bad boy up, take the tension of the strings down so you can move them off the saddle nut, then kind of color in the nut where the string lays, that will act as a lubricant and should help reduce the issue.

I owned a Gibson Explorer and Les Paul, sold them both because I got sick of dealing with that very issue. I believe its natural with the brand, because I can go into a music store pull any LP down and make it go out of tune on a single bend.


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post Jan 29 2013, 05:22 AM
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I have to agree with the guys, it's time to take it to the shop. We would be guessing at best based just on second hand info since we can't test/play the guitar ourselves. sad.gif But here are some common things that cause that.

1.)Brand new strings (they drift til you stretch them out)
2.)Something wrong with the tuners (it's rare but happens)
3.)Poor winding job when strings were put on
4.)Manufacturing defect on strings (again rare)

in short take it in to someone you trust if it's none of these things that you can tell.

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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 28 2013, 10:59 AM) *
Sorry my ignorace, i was never that big on issues gear related.

So this is actually it's the first time that such thing occurs.

The main problem seems to be revolving in the G and B Strings. when i do whole-tone bends bang they snap out of tune, some times i just look away for one sec and bang the guitar goes flat on me dry.gif?

(already replaced the strings with new ones and stuff, still the same situation)


PS: it's on my SG to no floating trem, whatsoever.



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post Jan 29 2013, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (mroberts70 @ Jan 28 2013, 05:01 PM) *
I'm certainly no expert on guitar luthiering, but in my past experience I've found that with cheaper end tuners (and I am not implying that you have cheap tuners) however usually on cheaper tuners before I've changed them out, I would tighten any visible screws (if any). sometimes this would help, sometimes not.

I do know that also the amount of windings that you have with the string at the tuners can cause tuning issues if you have too much string sitting there. Again, I am not an expert so you may want to look this up.... or one of the other guys can tell your for sure I would imagine. wink.gif

I believe a good rule of thumb is to have about 3 full turns of string only per tuner as to keep the slack to a minimum for reasons similar to what you are currently experiencing. I keep about three on mine with no issues.... and of course with new strings you want to bend and tune a few times to stretch them out a bit as well.

That's about all I got... hope it helps. smile.gif




Thanks for the answer guys.


Yes i also do around 3 turns, and stretchs and all that stuff.

And yes they are cheap tuners tongue.gif (i think) , they are still the originals ones (we are talking about a epiphone that goes back to 2008).
I'll take SpaseMoonkey's advice, and stop my the luthier next time i stop at the musicstore.


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post Jan 29 2013, 06:21 PM
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I can't add any more than has already been suggested.

If you brought to me to look at the first thing I would check would be the tuners, sounds like they are slipping slightly. If I remember correctly those have the vintage Kluson style tuners. Swap them out for the best ones you can afford, I'm sure your local Tech/Luthier will be able to suggest something appropriate. When re-stringing 3-4 winds on the peg is sufficient!
Hope you get it sorted soon!
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post Jan 30 2013, 09:11 AM
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The local tech/ luthier should be able to help - I don't know how costly these services are outside Romania, but in here for about 25 euros you can set a guitar in tip top shape. If you need to work something else, well, that depends smile.gif


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