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Jenas
post Feb 1 2013, 12:43 PM
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Back in 2009 I had an injury that prevented me from playing guitar until today. My problem today is my left hand strenght.
When I started out playing guitar it was no problem, because my left hand strenght increased as my skill progressed.

I started to play again a week ago and my wrist hurts after playing with vibratos and bends and such. I think I played too much for my hand to handle. I think I should take a week off where I rest my hand, and then start playing more exercises to strenghten it.

Anyone have any experience with this? Anything you would recommend, any exercises? Would appreciate it alot smile.gif
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post Feb 1 2013, 01:18 PM
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Hoi Jenas,

maybe I can answer this one as I am a functional fitness coach.

Hand or grip-strength can be reached with lots of exercises, and your guitar playing can benefit from this training as well as your health and fitness. If only the grip is your interest why don't you get a gripper like the Captains of Crush? These tools are used by athletes all around the world and the Guide-, Sport- and/or Trainer-model will fit your needs pretty well. Of course you can go up if you like to train with these units.

John Wood's functional hand strength website offer a lot of tips and tricks about them, plus you can also get them there.

Additionally or when you are more focused on complete strength and some conditioning you can work out 2-3 times a week. Bodyweight exercises like the chin up or pull-up will develop grip strength as well as strength all over our upper body. combine them with some squats and push-ups (maybe on fingers if you get strong enough). Other possibilities to train grip and the rest of your body would be kettlebells (exercises like swing, highpull, snatch), iron clubs (search on youtube for "trial by fire" CST) or the classic barbell (with exercises like the deadlift, clean...) are just a few ideas.

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post Feb 1 2013, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (Lovtscho @ Feb 1 2013, 09:18 AM) *
Hoi Jenas,

maybe I can answer this one as I am a functional fitness coach.

Hand or grip-strength can be reached with lots of exercises, and your guitar playing can benefit from this training as well as your health and fitness. If only the grip is your interest why don't you get a gripper like the Captains of Crush? These tools are used by athletes all around the world and the Guide-, Sport- and/or Trainer-model will fit your needs pretty well. Of course you can go up if you like to train with these units.

John Wood's functional hand strength website offer a lot of tips and tricks about them, plus you can also get them there.

Additionally or when you are more focused on complete strength and some conditioning you can work out 2-3 times a week. Bodyweight exercises like the chin up or pull-up will develop grip strength as well as strength all over our upper body. combine them with some squats and push-ups (maybe on fingers if you get strong enough). Other possibilities to train grip and the rest of your body would be kettlebells (exercises like swing, highpull, snatch), iron clubs (search on youtube for "trial by fire" CST) or the classic barbell (with exercises like the deadlift, clean...) are just a few ideas.

Maybe check my website for more info about that stuff!


Interesting information Lovtscho! Thanks for sharing. I have not experience about this but the only thing that I can suggest is to consult with a professional in order to avoid getting a periodical pain.


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post Feb 1 2013, 03:28 PM
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First of all - see a medical professional about this! Second, I would like to show you a series of videos I did for GMC in 2011 regarding keeping a healthy body in respect to being a guitarist smile.gif



There were more, but I can't seem to find them - will post here, after seeing where they went laugh.gif


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post Feb 1 2013, 04:37 PM
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Your right Gabriel,

it is always safer to check a medical expert on this. But I found a lot of wrist problems when I started playing guitar again, because of my grappling/groundfighting background. Today I work on handmobility drills, do the strength stuff and as I gained a lot of strength in the wrist and hands I have no issues from overtraining my guitar playing.

There are too many guys that love to play guitar, but do not train any sports. So this might be an issue...

Another point could be a myofascial triggerpoint at these muscles. Then a physical therapist might be the solution.

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post Feb 1 2013, 05:46 PM
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Thank you for replies smile.gif
My english isn't the best so im apologizing for that
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Additionally or when you are more focused on complete strength and some conditioning you can work out 2-3 times a week. Bodyweight exercises like the chin up or pull-up will develop grip strength as well as strength all over our upper body. combine them with some squats and push-ups (maybe on fingers if you get strong enough). Other possibilities to train grip and the rest of your body would be kettlebells (exercises like swing, highpull, snatch), iron clubs (search on youtube for "trial by fire" CST) or the classic barbell (with exercises like the deadlift, clean...) are just a few ideas.

Im training in a local gym, but because im so weak in the shoulders and have struggled a lot with trigger points, I can't do chins, pull ups and such. Not yet atleast. Im improving shoulder posture as I have struggled with it over years.

Those hand grippers sounds good.smile.gif


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First of all - see a medical professional about this! Second, I would like to show you a series of videos I did for GMC in 2011 regarding keeping a healthy body in respect to being a guitarist



There were more, but I can't seem to find them - will post here, after seeing where they went

Thanks, will check it out smile.gif
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Your right Gabriel,

it is always safer to check a medical expert on this. But I found a lot of wrist problems when I started playing guitar again, because of my grappling/groundfighting background. Today I work on handmobility drills, do the strength stuff and as I gained a lot of strength in the wrist and hands I have no issues from overtraining my guitar playing.

There are too many guys that love to play guitar, but do not train any sports. So this might be an issue...

Another point could be a myofascial triggerpoint at these muscles. Then a physical therapist might be the solution.



As I feel it, it is myofascial triggerpoints. Have a book about trigger points actually so self-treatment shouldn't be much trouble. But yeah I should probably get it checked .

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QUOTE (Lovtscho @ Feb 1 2013, 03:37 PM) *
There are too many guys that love to play guitar, but do not train any sports. So this might be an issue...


Sword fencing practice sessions are always helping with keeping my wrists and forearms in shape tongue.gif


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post Feb 2 2013, 10:27 AM
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Yeah, check those grippers out! They are fun and it will support your wrists and forearms. But you should start with the easiest one, because as you say your body seems to tend to triggerpoinnts. I have several clients that are the same, so I studied that stuff in some courses. You can try to use triggerpoint release techniques at yourself, but this is not so easy, because pain at the forearms or wrists must not be triggered from the same area.

You said you have trouble with your shoulders. So maybe the points are in that area. I can do a research for it if you like.

Check MWOD at youtube and watch for wrist and shoulder flexibility drills. This Guy does some good stuff.

@Cosmin: a tough sword fight can be a workout and as you train your skills you also build muscle. And most important IT IS FUUUUUN biggrin.gif


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post Feb 2 2013, 10:46 AM
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In my experience, most injuries have resulted because of a lack of activity in non-guitar related areas.

The trouble with being a musician is that it's not a very physical job and you tend to use the same muscles over and over. Guitarists can be a delicate bunch so unless you balance it out with some good physical exercise or physical labour, you'll have weak spots.

I think those hand grip things might have a very limited application as the act of playing guitar is not functionally the same as gripping.

You'll be better off building strength in your shoulders and forearms as I believe it's weakness in those areas which lead to weakness in the wrist.

I agree with Lovstcho about good functional exercises like push ups (try them on your knucles as they will encourage a stronger wrist) and pull ups - pull ups will make your foreams burn, although they might be too much at the moment.

One thing I noticed in myself is a tendency to tense the shoulder when concentrating. Make a conscious effort to think about your shoulders and let them sink towards the floor, completely relaxed. I notice it more in people's picking side but I'm sure it happens in the fretting side too.

As Lovstcho said, most pains have a trigger point. The neck, shoulders and middle back are notorious for this. Playing guitar encourages us to round our shoulders and hunch.. so anything that is in contrast to that will help you develop more balance in your musculature.

I would say steer away from small, specific exercises that only focus on your wrists and focus on developing more strength and resiliance in your back shoulders and arms. My absolute favourite exercise is deadlifts. If you find somebody to teach you how to do them properly it's worth it !

If you're not interested in exercises/weight lifting etc.. I recommend taking up a physical sport

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post Feb 2 2013, 01:29 PM
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tough one if you have this problem...maybe it's also cause you can't keep the wrist/hand relax while practicing.
Maybe also a bit more classical position could be better for the wrists.???

Hope you'll find some answers to it
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This may be a relaxation and flexibility issue rather than strength


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Ben is totally right. The BB deadlift is also a great excercise if not the best regarding allround strength. And as he said you should only start doing it if you know a skilled Coach that shows you how to do it.

An alternative would be dumbbell or kettlebell swings, highpulls and snatches. Maybe not as tough as a real heavy BB deadlift, but hard enough for many people.

Like PosterBoy said, flexibility is an important aspect and might be a big point here, but some general training should be in your schedule and if it is laid out well you will also work your flexibility.

If you practice with your guitar on a chair chances are big your posture is not very well. A solid workout can help a lot.


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thank you for replies smile.gif

I do normal rows, as well with back flyes and external arm rotation for my shoulders. Isn't deadlift a little overkill?
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QUOTE (Jenas @ Feb 3 2013, 02:29 PM) *
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I do normal rows, as well with back flyes and external arm rotation for my shoulders. Isn't deadlift a little overkill?


No I don't think so.. it sounds worse than it is, with a name like Deadlifts biggrin.gif

It's one of the best overall compound movements you can do as it strengthens your whole body. Doing a good exercises like the deadlift also negates the need for a lot of isolated dumbell exercises (unless you're a bodybuilder looking for muscle definition)


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This thing could help

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