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post Feb 3 2013, 09:16 PM
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We played a great dance gig on Friday night where the band seemed to be playing really well. Audience reaction was great. But in a newspaper story on the event the next day, someone commented: "the band, apart from the lead guitar, was together and in-sync." Of course, who is the lead guitar? You guessed it. That just killed me. I don't know who this person is, what they know about music, etc., etc.. But I have to confess it hurt my always fragile guitar ego -- got into my head. Anyway, it got me thinking: has something like this happened to any of you? What do you do with it? Perspectives appreciated. Thanks.
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post Feb 3 2013, 09:22 PM
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That's a tough one man, but something we all deal with from time to time. I try not to read too much into critics or reviews. I read them and sometimes they say things, positive or negative, that I can take to the practice room and improve on. But, at the same time, these are just someone's opinions.

So if you find merit in what they said, and can turn it into a positive experience in the practice room, then it's worth thinking about. But, if it's just going to distract you and cause you grief, then just let it go and move on. Keep working on what you're goals are in the practice room and everything keep things positive.


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post Feb 3 2013, 10:06 PM
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There are two kinds of criticism. "That was bad", and "that was bad -because-...". You got the good one, where you are told what you can work on to improve yourself. That said, take a listen to Tim Minchin - The Song For Phil Daoust. You're not alone wink.gif
I believe that as an artist, you absolutely have to learn with criticism. If you always brush it off, you won't be hurt, but you'll end up as Malmsteen. As a lead guitarist, you'll get criticism all day long, constructive or not. tongue.gif

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post Feb 3 2013, 10:42 PM
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When I was younger I was also annoyed with a similar comments, justified or not. But later I realized one truth - each ad is valuable,
good or bad, it's important that the story circles wink.gif Proof ? Look at the comments on my "40 techniques" on YouTube . Each page contains at least one and the same question - Where's Lil' Wayne technique !!? So I was wondering - who is that guy, because, honestly, I haven't heard of him before..After watching his masterpieces I ask myself - Does that man need that charade ?!?
Apparently-Yes! With each negative comment, his bank account grows wink.gif

On the other hand, music critics are in fact wannabe musicians!
I have never heard one of them (I'd like to hear really) with recorded song entitled - "this is how you should sounds like, you dummies"!!


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post Feb 3 2013, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (Sollesnes @ Feb 3 2013, 09:06 PM) *
There are two kinds of criticism. "That was bad", and "that was bad -because-...". You got the good one, where you are told what you can work on to improve yourself. That said, take a listen to Tim Minchin - The Song For Phil Daoust. You're not alone wink.gif
I believe that as an artist, you absolutely have to learn with criticism. If you always brush it off, you won't be hurt, but you'll end up as Malmsteen. As a lead guitarist, you'll get criticism all day long, constructive or not. tongue.gif


Yeah, part of me just wants to dismiss it and say this idiot probably can't find middle c on the piano. On the other hand, this was someone in the audience who took the energy to listen critically to the best of her abilities, and found something wrong with my playing - so I have to respect that and try to understand it better. I'm gonna talk to the rest of the band and ask them what they heard -- or better, what they may have been hearing for a while that they're keeping quiet about??? Who knows. Couldn't agree more that if you run away from valid criticism - which is another way of saying if you run away from truth - forget about growing as a musician .... or as a person.

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That's a tough one man, but something we all deal with from time to time. I try not to read too much into critics or reviews. I read them and sometimes they say things, positive or negative, that I can take to the practice room and improve on. But, at the same time, these are just someone's opinions.

So if you find merit in what they said, and can turn it into a positive experience in the practice room, then it's worth thinking about. But, if it's just going to distract you and cause you grief, then just let it go and move on. Keep working on what you're goals are in the practice room and everything keep things positive.


Thanks and agree.
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post Feb 3 2013, 11:25 PM
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Criticism is to an artist as ornithology is to a bird.


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post Feb 3 2013, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 3 2013, 10:25 PM) *
Criticism is to an artist as ornithology is to a bird.


That is a great metaphor!


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post Feb 3 2013, 11:38 PM
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It's not mine though. I can't remember who said it. It was (surprisingly) a writer who who wrote about art and architecture in the earlier part of the last century. It was in reference to modernism and abstract expressionism.

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post Feb 3 2013, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 3 2013, 10:38 PM) *
It's not mine though. I can't remember who said it. It was (surprisingly) an writer who who wrote about art and architecture in the earlier part of the last century. It was in reference to modernism and abstract expressionism.


Yes, an artist following abstract expressionism has had to face a lot of criticism too. If we have a vision and see our paths then our only task is to follow it.

I've once read that Michael Jordan has been fired from high school basketball team, and his trainer said that he has no talent. His trainer was a basketball expert, out of doubt. If Michael Jordan would have believed him, then he would have given up and search a day job. We are all lucky that he didn't!


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post Feb 3 2013, 11:48 PM
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we once had a internet critic , who was a huge rush fan ( so he blogged), about how are version of "the spirit of the radio " was not that great
So we replied back that a huge RUSH FAN SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS " The spirit of radio"
and the next day the post had been corrected and our response was gone, strange isn't it
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post Feb 3 2013, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Feb 3 2013, 10:48 PM) *
we once had a internet critic , who was a huge rush fan ( so he blogged), about how are version of "the spirit of the radio " was not that great
So we replied back that a huge RUSH FAN SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS " The spirit of radio"
and the next day the post had been corrected and our response was gone, strange isn't it

Hence, my above 'quote'.
Carry on and damn the torpedos.


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post Feb 4 2013, 12:30 AM
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Well it just goes to show that you can't please everyone no matter how hard you try, but as long as you pleased the majority of the audience, thats all that really matters right?
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post Feb 4 2013, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 3 2013, 11:30 PM) *
Well it just goes to show that you can't please everyone no matter how hard you try, but as long as you pleased the majority of the audience, thats all that really matters right?


Yeah, you're right. That's good.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 3 2013, 10:25 PM) *
Criticism is to an artist as ornithology is to a bird.

Love it!
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post Feb 4 2013, 06:27 AM
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Another fave of mine - that's right to the point - in reference to a critic, is from a guitarist (and similar to Sinisa's comment) ... "I'd like to hear his band".

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post Feb 4 2013, 09:18 AM
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If I had a dollar for all the times I've been called 'gay' in my Drop A breakdown video on Youtube, I'd be pretty rich laugh.gif Joking aside, the only true critic should be you smile.gif You should be conscious enough to keep looking at yourself in the mirror and liking what you see. Be as ready as possible when performance time arrives.

There are indeed moments when the unexpected occurs and each one of us is more or less ready to respond, but we should never let ourselves dragged down by bad words thrown at us by people who can't probably even pick up an instrument smile.gif Critique is the easiest thing to do, isn't it?

On the other hand, we are the ones who expose ourselves on stage, so that's why we have to be prepared - this is the view from the perspective of the listener - they don't care how much you work - if that night onstage you do not shine, all the work is for nothing.

Approach things having these in mind and things will always go for the better smile.gif


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post Feb 4 2013, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 4 2013, 08:18 AM) *
If I had a dollar for all the times I've been called 'gay' in my Drop A breakdown video on Youtube, I'd be pretty rich laugh.gif Joking aside, the only true critic should be you smile.gif You should be conscious enough to keep looking at yourself in the mirror and liking what you see. Be as ready as possible when performance time arrives.

There are indeed moments when the unexpected occurs and each one of us is more or less ready to respond, but we should never let ourselves dragged down by bad words thrown at us by people who can't probably even pick up an instrument smile.gif Critique is the easiest thing to do, isn't it?

On the other hand, we are the ones who expose ourselves on stage, so that's why we have to be prepared - this is the view from the perspective of the listener - they don't care how much you work - if that night onstage you do not shine, all the work is for nothing.

Approach things having these in mind and things will always go for the better smile.gif


A great summary of both perspectives, Cosmin! Very well said.


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post Feb 4 2013, 01:14 PM
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Thank you man smile.gif


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QUOTE (Sollesnes @ Feb 3 2013, 10:06 PM) *
I believe that as an artist, you absolutely have to learn with criticism. If you always brush it off, you won't be hurt, but you'll end up as Malmsteen. As a lead guitarist, you'll get criticism all day long, constructive or not. tongue.gif



That's the reason why it's better to be frontman - Rhythm guitarist + Singer too!! smile.gif



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post Feb 4 2013, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 4 2013, 08:18 AM) *
If I had a dollar for all the times I've been called 'gay' in my Drop A breakdown video on Youtube, I'd be pretty rich laugh.gif Joking aside, the only true critic should be you smile.gif You should be conscious enough to keep looking at yourself in the mirror and liking what you see. Be as ready as possible when performance time arrives.

There are indeed moments when the unexpected occurs and each one of us is more or less ready to respond, but we should never let ourselves dragged down by bad words thrown at us by people who can't probably even pick up an instrument smile.gif Critique is the easiest thing to do, isn't it?

On the other hand, we are the ones who expose ourselves on stage, so that's why we have to be prepared - this is the view from the perspective of the listener - they don't care how much you work - if that night onstage you do not shine, all the work is for nothing.

Approach things having these in mind and things will always go for the better smile.gif


Excellent. Thanks Cosmin.
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Well, I hope it will save our behinds more often from getting tomatoed on a bad day tongue.gif


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