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post Feb 4 2013, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 4 2013, 05:08 PM) *
Whoa this one sounds crazy biggrin.gif Can't figure it out just yet smile.gif


Hint: Don't think 'complicated'. Try to distance yourself from the chords and time sig. And remember, I'm just referencing the main melody 1:04 to 1:27.

*Cosmin, Is the Vai (Juice) mixo with maybe a nat7 in there occasionally?

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post Feb 4 2013, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 4 2013, 06:21 PM) *
*Cosmin, Is the Vai (Juice) mixo with maybe a nat7 in there occasionally?


Certaintly I'm not Cosmin, but to answer your question: when listening to the song, you can hear that Vais soloing isn't pure to any mode (and a lot solo-playing often isn't, that could quickly be kinda plain, wouldnt it?). He is mixing up between lydian and mixolydian, but when looking at the song as a whole, the song itself with the bass & chords, it's pretty mixolydian smile.gif
I think laugh.gif I'm only judging by ears, I can't play it smile.gif

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post Feb 4 2013, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (Sollesnes @ Feb 4 2013, 05:50 PM) *
Certaintly I'm not Cosmin, but to answer your question: when listening to the song, you can hear that Vais soloing isn't pure to any mode (and a lot solo-playing often isn't, that could quickly be kinda plain, wouldnt it?). He is mixing up between lydian and mixolydian, but when looking at the song as a whole, the song itself with the bass & chords, it's pretty mixolydian smile.gif
I think laugh.gif I'm only judging by ears, I can't play it smile.gif


Oh man, sorry Sollesnes! I mistaken thought Cosmin posted the Vai.


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post Feb 5 2013, 05:47 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 4 2013, 04:59 PM) *
The Vai generally sounds like Mixo but I swear I hear a natural 7th in there sometimes when he goes to the V chord.
But anyway, the dominant sound is certainly 'dominant' on that track.

Here's mine. Just the main melody.
Not a full scale in the traditional western definition but guitarists will be familiar with it (that's a hint) and the guitarist and violinist do bend/slide almost to a major 3 at one point in the melody where the rest of it is minor 3rds (that's another hint).
What makes this relatively simple scale sound so cool/weird in this context is the backing - both the chords as well as the time signature.

Melody (scale) starts at 1:04 ...



The melody ends at 1:27 and all bets are off at that point (though he does get back into it again and constantly revisits the original scale/mode ... in very obvious way once you know it).
Extra credit for chords and time sig (multiple correct answers for the time sig)


What, nobody? Come on - humor me wink.gif
Don't pay attention to the chords. Just pick out the notes in the 'lick/line' ... you'll get it, I swear.
This is a great example of the harmony making the melody take on an exotic veneer.

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post Feb 5 2013, 07:41 AM
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I'll take a stab at it. Could it be Ionian?

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post Feb 5 2013, 07:42 AM
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Think I'm hearing "blues scale" to my poorly trained ears
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post Feb 5 2013, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE (tonyk @ Feb 4 2013, 09:42 PM) *
Think I'm hearing "blues scale" to my poorly trained ears

+1 Tony smile.gif Yeah I was kind of thinking it was mainly pentatonic or blues too but I think I detect a bit of major scale flavor in there, I was trying to ignore the overlying chords like Klasaine suggested. Oh well what have I got to lose? If anything I will learn something. smile.gif
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post Feb 5 2013, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE (tonyk @ Feb 5 2013, 06:42 AM) *
Think I'm hearing "blues scale" to my poorly trained ears


And we have a winner!
Yeah, it's just the E blues scale with one bend 'almost' to a G#/Ab - that's the slight major sound and it only happens for a 16th note near the end of the first bar of the melody. The main four bars of melody he plays in the 12th fret blues/minor penta box. Against the harmony the 'blue' notes - b3 G and the b5 Bb can sound majorish. *A lot of Mahavishnu melodies are derived from blues and mixo. Others would be Dance of Maya, Vital Transformation and Lila's Dance. When I realized this I was really blown away.


Now for the exoticism - what time signature and what's the harmony underneath that E blues scale? This I'll grant you is neither typical nor obvious.
Hints: McLaughlin likes to employ typical guitaristic devices i.e., open strings and moveable parallel chord shapes (in his unique way of course).
The 'pulse' is 1/8 notes.

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post Feb 5 2013, 08:21 AM
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Well done Tony! That ear is not so poorly trained after all! cool.gif
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post Feb 5 2013, 09:25 AM
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Wow biggrin.gif Never thought of that - but to be honest I haven't managed to sit down and analyze so, shame on me sad.gif

So - Congrats to Tony! Now, do you have one for the gang? wink.gif


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post Feb 5 2013, 11:44 AM
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Particularly the intro melody

Satriani Lords of Karma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrwk0COfggo
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post Feb 5 2013, 06:52 PM
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'Intro' as in the faux sitar chords - A5#4 to Asus?
It's a little weird because he's got the natural 4 and #4 in there ...
Lydian/Dominant (lyd.b7) for the main melody?


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post Feb 5 2013, 08:11 PM
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Well done.was after the #4 to 4 answer
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post Feb 5 2013, 09:09 PM
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Is there a scale that has 3, 4 and #4 in it?
I bet there is.
Sinisa?

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post Feb 6 2013, 09:22 AM
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Hey Ken, I found this smile.gif



It's called the Persian scale and it has 1 b2 3 4 b5 b6 7 as a formula

I do believe it's your turn to throw something in here - I am curious to see what you got in mind biggrin.gif


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post Feb 6 2013, 03:35 PM
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Well I already did the Mahavishnu tune but I'll find another. This is fun.

Nice find on the scale!


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post Feb 6 2013, 05:54 PM
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Alright! Till you find one, I'll throw one as well biggrin.gif



How about the main riff in here?


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post Feb 7 2013, 12:03 AM
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Sandman is the same as my Mahavishnu offering - Blues scale (same key even), yes?

OK, here ...



Hint: 'highland' pipes are a justly tuned, modal intrument

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post Feb 7 2013, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 6 2013, 02:03 PM) *
Sandman is the same as my Mahavishnu offering - Blues scale (same key even), yes?

OK, here ...
Hint: 'highland' pipes are a justly tuned, modal intrument

Bb Major or Ionian ?

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post Feb 7 2013, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 6 2013, 11:25 PM) *
Bb Major or Ionian ?


Close.
Highland pipes are indeed Bb something (too big of hint if I tell) but this particular Jig is not in Bb.




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