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post Feb 6 2013, 12:38 PM
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If this is a repeat subject, I apologise.

I wanted to buy some strap locks for my guitars and whilst searching, I came across some straps which have locking devices already installed on them..like spring loaded clips on both ends, therefore eliminating the need for the traditional metal strap locks. Does anyone have any advice on this subject please? If I had to replace my strap buttons...would that be a straight forward replacement for the existing buttons?

I have another question...deviating slightly...I want to put a strap button on my Dean acoustic steel string..on the neck heel maybe...anyone got any tips or advice ?


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post Feb 6 2013, 12:56 PM
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I like the planet waves locking straps, though the length adjustment clip bit is a weakness, I've had two of them break, so my strap length is now fixed by me tying a knot in the strap!


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post Feb 6 2013, 01:34 PM
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I use these:

http://www.thomann.de/de/schaller_security_locks_c.htm

Very happy with them.

As for the button on your acoustic, this one has been mounted by a guitar tech on one of my acoustics:

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I remember he used a wood drill before he screwed..

.. sorry for my bad english rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Headbanger @ Feb 6 2013, 12:38 PM) *
If this is a repeat subject, I apologise.

I wanted to buy some strap locks for my guitars and whilst searching, I came across some straps which have locking devices already installed on them..like spring loaded clips on both ends, therefore eliminating the need for the traditional metal strap locks. Does anyone have any advice on this subject please? If I had to replace my strap buttons...would that be a straight forward replacement for the existing buttons?

I have another question...deviating slightly...I want to put a strap button on my Dean acoustic steel string..on the neck heel maybe...anyone got any tips or advice ?
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post Feb 6 2013, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 6 2013, 12:56 PM) *
I like the planet waves locking straps, though the length adjustment clip bit is a weakness, I've had two of them break, so my strap length is now fixed by me tying a knot in the strap!


Haha Thanks...I dont think I'll buy one of those then! laugh.gif


QUOTE (mad @ Feb 6 2013, 01:34 PM) *
I use these:

http://www.thomann.de/de/schaller_security_locks_c.htm

Very happy with them.

As for the button on your acoustic, this one has been mounted by a guitar tech on one of my acoustics:

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I remember he used a wood drill before he screwed..

.. sorry for my bad english rolleyes.gif

I've had the schallers before...they are good, but I always think they stick two big lumps of metal on your guitar.
I think I'll get a strap button and install it myself on my acoustic. Thanks smile.gif


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post Feb 6 2013, 05:58 PM
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I have never got along with strap locking units - almost ruined a guitar using them sad.gif but I am the kind of guy that jumps off things on stage and moves around a lot. I HONESTLY think that a well built strap will work just wonderful, rather than the strap locking units that will wear and tear the wood of the guitar due to the screws going up and down when you move ..


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post Feb 6 2013, 06:46 PM
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I have always used strap locks, and never had any problems with them. In fact, the only time I've ever had a guitar slip on me was with a Gibson I had where I was too lazy to put the strap locks on. One night on stage it slipped off the strap, but luckily I caught it about an inch from hitting the ground. So I use them to this day on every guitar I own.


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post Feb 6 2013, 07:18 PM
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I was recently going through the same decision, but never seemed to really like the strap lock systems I had encountered already. But, my cheap plastic "strap lock" was too unreliable.


There is a local Portland company (can't remember the name) that makes a $5 strap lock system which is VERY simple.... they are basically little rubber o-rings that you put on after you've put on your strap. Simple, cheap, very effective....hold the strap on very well, for cheap, with no installed parts!!


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post Feb 7 2013, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 6 2013, 05:58 PM) *
I have never got along with strap locking units - almost ruined a guitar using them sad.gif but I am the kind of guy that jumps off things on stage and moves around a lot. I HONESTLY think that a well built strap will work just wonderful, rather than the strap locking units that will wear and tear the wood of the guitar due to the screws going up and down when you move ..

Maybe a helmet would be better for you Cosmin rather than strap locks!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (The Professor @ Feb 6 2013, 06:46 PM) *
I have always used strap locks, and never had any problems with them. In fact, the only time I've ever had a guitar slip on me was with a Gibson I had where I was too lazy to put the strap locks on. One night on stage it slipped off the strap, but luckily I caught it about an inch from hitting the ground. So I use them to this day on every guitar I own.


Good catch..saved a few quid! smile.gif I have had them before...but I seem to remember they looked a bit bulky.


QUOTE (derper @ Feb 6 2013, 07:18 PM) *
I was recently going through the same decision, but never seemed to really like the strap lock systems I had encountered already. But, my cheap plastic "strap lock" was too unreliable.


There is a local Portland company (can't remember the name) that makes a $5 strap lock system which is VERY simple.... they are basically little rubber o-rings that you put on after you've put on your strap. Simple, cheap, very effective....hold the strap on very well, for cheap, with no installed parts!!

I think I have seen something similar on ebay...small plastic things that look a bit like plectrums..that I assume are put on the button and slotted into a lock after.


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post Feb 8 2013, 03:47 AM
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Personally I wouldn't use anything other than Dunlop Straploks on any guitar I don't want crashing to the ground because the strap slipped off the guitar. These lock the strap to the guitar, but you can still remove the strap with the push of a button.

http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/original

Cosmin, I don't understand your comment. These attach to the guitar with a screw the same way a standard button does.


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post Feb 8 2013, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Feb 8 2013, 02:47 AM) *
Personally I wouldn't use anything other than Dunlop Straploks on any guitar I don't want crashing to the ground because the strap slipped off the guitar. These lock the strap to the guitar, but you can still remove the strap with the push of a button.

http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/original

Cosmin, I don't understand your comment. These attach to the guitar with a screw the same way a standard button does.


Correct but the strap locking unit applies tension on the screw at a point which is further away from the body of the guitar, thus moving the screw more easily and creating space in the body of the guitar. The friction of the screw eats the wood away, loosening it more and more. This will not happen in the case in which the tension is applied at the base of the screw which is also tightened well into the body of the guitar.

Hope this makes sense as I can't find any schematics for now sad.gif It's about creating a lever system and applying force at a different point, thus creating friction and eating away the wood. I had to deal with this situation with Warwick strap locking units.

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post Feb 8 2013, 09:56 AM
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I had my basses crash off regular straps too many times that installing Strap Locks on my basses was a must. I tried some brands and settled to Dunlop Strap Locks. Seems the like the best system and most high quality one and hasn't failed me since. Its actually easy to install too (especially for me who freaks out having to "drill something" od modify on my bass) - you just unscrew the old strap button and put in a new one which screws in tight and that is it.


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Feb 8 2013, 08:56 AM) *
I had my basses crash off regular straps too many times that installing Strap Locks on my basses was a must. I tried some brands and settled to Dunlop Strap Locks. Seems the like the best system and most high quality one and hasn't failed me since. Its actually easy to install too (especially for me who freaks out having to "drill something" od modify on my bass) - you just unscrew the old strap button and put in a new one which screws in tight and that is it.


If you don't jump around that much, it can be a solution, but after what happened to my old MMM, no more strap locks for me!


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post Feb 8 2013, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 8 2013, 08:51 AM) *
Hope this makes sense as I can't find any schematics for now sad.gif It's about creating a lever system and applying force at a different point, thus creating friction and eating away the wood. I had to deal with this situation with Warwick strap locking units.


I think I understand what you mean. The strap is a couple mm farther away from the body, so it exerts more leverage on the button. I'm not familiar with Warwick, only Dunlop, but I would think the screw would have to be pretty weak for that to be a problem?


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post Feb 8 2013, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 8 2013, 10:08 AM) *
If you don't jump around that much, it can be a solution, but after what happened to my old MMM, no more strap locks for me!


I can definitely see this happening, mine has survived for years of jumping now but I had bad experience with some other system which had one screw (part on the strap) that would unwind on its own every time.

It might depend on the system though, Dunlop one feels pretty safe and well made (metal part on the strap side enters inside the button).


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Then again, my reluctance to use straplocking units is a bit unjustified by the fact that I haven't tried any other brand aside from Warwick smile.gif Maybe I should re-consider my options smile.gif


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post Feb 9 2013, 05:03 PM
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I still use the standard Dunlops but I too have had 'straplocks' pull right out of the back of a guitar.

These are cool too ... http://www.gamlinsmusic.co.uk/musical-inst...ainer-pair-471/
And these ... http://www.andertons.co.uk/misc-guitar-acc...ce-per-pair.asp


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post Feb 9 2013, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 9 2013, 05:03 PM) *


I still use the standard Dunlops but I too have had 'straplocks' pull right out of the back of a guitar.

These are cool too ... http://www.gamlinsmusic.co.uk/musical-inst...ainer-pair-471/
And these ... http://www.andertons.co.uk/misc-guitar-acc...ce-per-pair.asp

They all look like good solutions..if the Grolsch one works...then its probably worth cutting one out of a tyre rubber or similar.


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post Feb 9 2013, 08:30 PM
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I use DiMarzio Clip-Lok straps (Locking straps, not locking buttons) exclusively, they are the only ones I trust to hold my guitars properly whether I'm playing a chill jazz gig or throwing the guitar around at a punk show. Haven't had a single issue with them, but had many issues with strap locks like the Dunlop ones. Some people just use a big washer over their strap buttons but those aren't as safe as the DiMarzio ones come with longer screws than and stock strap buttons. Very secure, very easy to use, worth the money! Just my opinion though, I know people who haven't had issues with their Dunlops or DIY washer method buttons.


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post Feb 10 2013, 10:16 AM
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So, those DiMarzios are a better option in the first place just for the fact that they don't create leverage on the screw! This could be interesting smile.gif


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post Feb 15 2013, 07:22 PM
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That video is basically the same thing as the local portland rubber straplock system I was talking about. A bit more "heavy duty" from the looks of it, but it works EXCELLENTLY and only cost about $4. Love it. But....I didn't get any beer with mine! tongue.gif


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