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What's the hardest technique for you on the guitar?
Sweep [ 7 ] ** [25.93%]
Alternate picking [ 5 ] ** [18.52%]
Legato [ 1 ] ** [3.70%]
Hybrid picking [ 2 ] ** [7.41%]
Being in time, playing tightly [ 2 ] ** [7.41%]
Tapping [ 1 ] ** [3.70%]
Multi-finger tapping [ 4 ] ** [14.81%]
Economy picking [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Unwanted string noises while playing [ 4 ] ** [14.81%]
Other [ 1 ] ** [3.70%]
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Jonas Tamas
post Feb 7 2013, 03:15 PM
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Hi guys,


What's the hardest technique for you on the guitar?


- is it sweeping cleanly?

- or tapping?

- or sting skipping?

- or long legato lines?



For me, it had beed alternate picking. I didn't have the patience to practice it, and I sort of rushed my runs. After a while I decided to get this handled, and started using a metronome and/or drum grooves, backing tracks. And miracle happened - my alternate picking got tighter and tighter week after week.

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post Feb 7 2013, 03:35 PM
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It has got to be sweeping. (I think there is a way to actually make a poll on here, right? That feature didn't disappear?)


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post Feb 7 2013, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (thefireball @ Feb 7 2013, 03:35 PM) *
It has got to be sweeping. (I think there is a way to actually make a poll on here, right? That feature didn't disappear?)


Yes - actual voting poll can be added by editing the opening post.

Hardest technique - looking from the bass perspective, I would go for : tapping
It requires a lot of strength, independence and legato.


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post Feb 7 2013, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Feb 7 2013, 02:37 PM) *
Yes - actual voting poll can be added by editing the opening post.

Hardest technique - looking from the bass perspective, I would go for : tapping
It requires a lot of strength, independence and legato.



I've edited the post, added the poll feature above:)


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post Feb 7 2013, 05:10 PM
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Playing in time, tightly and I'll add together with other musicians.
Whatever 'technique' you're using you have to make it feel good and sound like music. This is elusive to many musicians - on any instrument. This actually relates a little to that youtube thread in 'chill out'. You can see a thousand 12 year olds shredding all day long but it's very rare to see one doing it with a live band convincingly.

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post Feb 7 2013, 05:22 PM
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For me it's sweep, legato and of course playing tightly. But I work on the two last things cool.gif
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post Feb 7 2013, 05:33 PM
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I didn't know that "Unwanted string noises while playing" is a technique laugh.gif I think it could happen while playing badly any of techniques mentioned above wink.gif

Btw. i voted for "playing in time"

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post Feb 7 2013, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (Slavenko Erazer @ Feb 7 2013, 04:33 PM) *
I didn't know that "Unwanted string noises while playing" is a technique laugh.gif I think it could happen while playing badly any of techniques mentioned above wink.gif

Btw. i voted for "playing in time"


Good point! wink.gif It is a phenomenon that can deteriorate of the effect of any given techniques, so I wanted to include it, because it's a big problem for aspiring guitarists.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 7 2013, 04:10 PM) *
Whatever 'technique' you're using you have to make it feel good and sound like music. This is elusive to many musicians - on any instrument. This actually relates a little to that youtube thread in 'chill out'. You can see a thousand 12 year olds shredding all day long but it's very rare to see one doing it with a live band convincingly.


Agreed, I always say that technique is a tool, and not a goal.


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post Feb 7 2013, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (Jonas Tamas @ Feb 7 2013, 11:40 AM) *
Good point! wink.gif It is a phenomenon that can deteriorate of the effect of any given techniques, so I wanted to include it, because it's a big problem for aspiring guitarists.



Agreed, I always say that technique is a tool, and not a goal.



Where's the all of the above option? smile.gif


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post Feb 7 2013, 05:56 PM
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I think I've put the most time and effort into alternate picking. Making a pattern sound flowing and articulate was my biggest challenge to overcome.




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post Feb 7 2013, 06:16 PM
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seeing how alt. picking is still my worst nightmare , that gets my vote

QUOTE (Jonas Tamas @ Feb 7 2013, 05:40 PM) *
Good point! wink.gif It is a phenomenon that can deteriorate of the effect of any given techniques, so I wanted to include it, because it's a big problem for aspiring guitarists.



Agreed, I always say that technique is a tool, and not a goal.

I usually feel like I am alt. picking's tool
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post Feb 7 2013, 08:56 PM
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Multi-finger tapping has always finger-tied me. Tough to get it down with good tone and solid time. Tricky!


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The hardest is definately sweep and tapping!

I work almost on AP lessons and scales..

Good topic cool.gif


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post Feb 7 2013, 09:56 PM
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I can't tell ..cause i master all of these techniques ph34r.gif
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post Feb 7 2013, 10:17 PM
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I voted for unwanted string noise, but it was really a tie with playing in time.


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post Feb 7 2013, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Feb 7 2013, 02:37 PM) *
Yes - actual voting poll can be added by editing the opening post.

Hardest technique - looking from the bass perspective, I would go for : tapping
It requires a lot of strength, independence and legato.



Yes, tapping on bass can be tricky! You have to hit that string really precisely, and connect the note with the other notes very fluidly.

QUOTE (thefireball @ Feb 7 2013, 02:35 PM) *
It has got to be sweeping. (I think there is a way to actually make a poll on here, right? That feature didn't disappear?)


I'm going to post one of my easier sweep exercises soon, with the backing track and TAB as well.

QUOTE (Jouve @ Feb 7 2013, 04:22 PM) *
For me it's sweep, legato and of course playing tightly. But I work on the two last things cool.gif


Sweep-time soon, I'm planning some cool exercises! smile.gif
Cheers to Russia!


QUOTE (mroberts70 @ Feb 7 2013, 04:48 PM) *
Where's the all of the above option? smile.gif


The "all of the above" is not an option for any of us:) Of course we all have to improve our playing constantly, but after you've showed me your recording a few days ago, I'm sure you're on a good path already.


QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 7 2013, 04:56 PM) *
I think I've put the most time and effort into alternate picking. Making a pattern sound flowing and articulate was my biggest challenge to overcome.


With alternate picking, was it a linear improvement by you, or did you experience a more sudden, breakthrough-like improvement?
Did you experiment with the angle of the pick? For some of my students, we're able to achieve major leaps with modifying how he/she holds the pick.

QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Feb 7 2013, 05:16 PM) *
seeing how alt. picking is still my worst nightmare , that gets my vote


Yes, alternate picking is really hard to master, I agree. What do you think is holding you back? Is it mostly the picking hand, or the fretting hand, or synchronization of the both?


QUOTE (The Professor @ Feb 7 2013, 07:56 PM) *
Multi-finger tapping has always finger-tied me. Tough to get it down with good tone and solid time. Tricky!


With 8-finger tapping, one of my problems is how strange the angle of my wrist is... and when it doesn't look good, then most of the time, it won't sound superior. (Exception: Marty Friedman biggrin.gif )

QUOTE (Nava @ Feb 7 2013, 08:04 PM) *
The hardest is definately sweep and tapping!

I work almost on AP lessons and scales..

Good topic cool.gif


Thanks! smile.gif

For tapping, I recommend you one of my new tapped arpeggio exercises. I uploaded 3 different backing tracks (3 different tempo: easy, easier and easiest:) ) for it, and you'll find the TAB as well in the topic.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=47809

Sweep is coming soon, too! smile.gif


QUOTE (Bossie @ Feb 7 2013, 08:56 PM) *
I can't tell ..cause i master all of these techniques ph34r.gif


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QUOTE (osiris @ Feb 7 2013, 09:17 PM) *
I voted for unwanted string noise, but it was really a tie with playing in time.


These often go hand in and, and in a lot of the cases, a bit of slowing down helps a lot. That way you can focus your attention on the precise movements, as well as string dampening/muting with the outer side of the right hand.

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I'll have to say Jonas, your instrumental "Tight Squeeze" is very eloquently done sir... very nice! I really liked Platinum as well... That's as far as I have gotten, but I felt the need to comment/compliment as these are very well done. I'd recommend everyone have a listen to those.... not that my recommendations mean much, but hey I've listened to music for some 40 years now.... I'm an expert. smile.gif

Oh, and if you ask Slavenko..... I've played guitar for 40 years.... if a fetus could play guitar, my new son would have had a guitar 8.5 months ago... laugh.gif



QUOTE (Jonas Tamas @ Feb 7 2013, 05:14 PM) *
Yes, tapping on bass can be tricky! You have to hit that string really precisely, and connect the note with the other notes very fluidly.



I'm going to post one of my easier sweep exercises soon, with the backing track and TAB as well.



Sweep-time soon, I'm planning some cool exercises! smile.gif
Cheers to Russia!




The "all of the above" is not an option for any of us:) Of course we all have to improve our playing constantly, but after you've showed me your recording a few days ago, I'm sure you're on a good path already.




With alternate picking, was it a linear improvement by you, or did you experience a more sudden, breakthrough-like improvement?
Did you experiment with the angle of the pick? For some of my students, we're able to achieve major leaps with modifying how he/she holds the pick.



Yes, alternate picking is really hard to master, I agree. What do you think is holding you back? Is it mostly the picking hand, or the fretting hand, or synchronization of the both?




With 8-finger tapping, one of my problems is how strange the angle of my wrist is... and when it doesn't look good, then most of the time, it won't sound superior. (Exception: Marty Friedman biggrin.gif )



Thanks! smile.gif

For tapping, I recommend you one of my new tapped arpeggio exercises. I uploaded 3 different backing tracks (3 different tempo: easy, easier and easiest:) ) for it, and you'll find the TAB as well in the topic.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=47809

Sweep is coming soon, too! smile.gif




wink.gif




These often go hand in and, and in a lot of the cases, a bit of slowing down helps a lot. That way you can focus your attention on the precise movements, as well as string dampening/muting with the outer side of the right hand.


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Unwanted string noise, as it effects every other technique listed


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QUOTE (Jonas Tamas @ Feb 7 2013, 10:14 PM) *
With alternate picking, was it a linear improvement by you, or did you experience a more sudden, breakthrough-like improvement?
Did you experiment with the angle of the pick? For some of my students, we're able to achieve major leaps with modifying how he/she holds the pick.


My biggest problem I think I had with AP was string crossing. I had a habit of either using a economy/sweeping stroke instead of just alternate picking when changing strings. Especially if it required a outside stroke. This habit formed from using just a wrist motion from changing string to string. I realized later when watching one of my videos that when I play fast on one string, like with some rapid tremelo picking, that I used more a forearm motion. It felt like a breakthrough when I realized this. Still it took a while to make the adjustment but I found that I was having a steady improvement from week to week. Still working on it daily. smile.gif


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QUOTE (mroberts70 @ Feb 8 2013, 12:49 AM) *
I'll have to say Jonas, your instrumental "Tight Squeeze" is very eloquently done sir... very nice! I really liked Platinum as well... That's as far as I have gotten, but I felt the need to comment/compliment as these are very well done. I'd recommend everyone have a listen to those.... not that my recommendations mean much, but hey I've listened to music for some 40 years now.... I'm an expert. smile.gif

Oh, and if you ask Slavenko..... I've played guitar for 40 years.... if a fetus could play guitar, my new son would have had a guitar 8.5 months ago... laugh.gif


Oh man,take it easy i just wanted to round some numbers. it would be odd to say u're playing 39.5 years, right? cool.gif
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