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Cosmin Lupu
post Feb 22 2013, 10:04 AM
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Time for some more food for your ears tongue.gif

Let's guess the time signature of the songs posted in here and as before, the one that guess gets to post a song and ask the question biggrin.gif

Ready? I'll start with a classic:



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post Feb 22 2013, 10:13 AM
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Take Five is definitely in 7/8.









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post Feb 22 2013, 11:17 AM
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Spoiler:

5/4
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post Feb 22 2013, 01:30 PM
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I'm going to like this thread smile.gif


@ Connor:
no I think it's rather in 4/4 tongue.gif
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post Feb 22 2013, 03:54 PM
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Hehe AdamB - you are right smile.gif Your turn to post an odd time song tongue.gif


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post Feb 22 2013, 05:28 PM
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I don't really know any tbh, I only know sevens and fives by gurthrie govan, which would be pointless as the title gives it away! The only other one I know uses odd time sigs is;


It's *really* long, as it was a sort of concept EP. Just do the first minute or two I guess? There are multiple time signatures that switch quite often, so try to name as many as you can! heh.
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post Feb 22 2013, 05:39 PM
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Sounds like 5/4 to me. At least at the start.


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post Feb 22 2013, 06:03 PM
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Tarkus is a lot of 5/4 and then it actually goes into 4/4 at about 1:00. some of the 'transitions' seem like bars of 6/4(?)

Mahavishnu (just the main riff from 0:13 to 0:55) ...



Hint: the tempo is quick.


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post Feb 22 2013, 06:40 PM
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I counted and thought 5/8 but I see that it's really 5/4. How can I hear if it's x/4 or x/8?

Thanks!
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post Feb 22 2013, 08:45 PM
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This would probably be a good question for Matt (the prof).

Don't feel too bad, it's not always so easy to tell.
As a very very general rule listen for the individual beats. For example: if the phrasing feels like the first vid that Cos posted, (Take 5) in 5/4, and you can def feel and hear the individual beats with a big accent on beats 5 and 4 then 5/4 is a good guess.
Another general rule - if it's 'fast' think of it in x/8 ... 'slow' - x/4
Also, when listening, try to determine if there's another subdivision that you feel/hear. In 6/8 as opposed to 6/4 we tend to feel it in 2 - 1₂₃ 2₂₃ ... as opposed to a very even 123456.
A lot of the determining has a lot to do with how the writer wrote it. 5/8 and 6/8 are pretty easy to write beamed 1/8 notes for the subdivision of the measure.
Some decent example on a wiki page ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintuple_meter
No great explanation as to why though.

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post Feb 22 2013, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (SoundShapingDotCom @ Feb 22 2013, 05:40 PM) *
I counted and thought 5/8 but I see that it's really 5/4. How can I hear if it's x/4 or x/8?

Thanks!


That's a tough one, but a good question!

For me, I try and hear the pulse of the song, so if there is a kick drum accent, or a bassline that is laying out quarter notes then I will go with that and call something 5/4. But, if the accent is more on the 8th notes, say in a guitar line or keyboard part, then you could call it 10/8.

It is usually a matter of the accents and the pulse of the song. But, if you were thinking something like 10/8 and the song was in 5/4 it's not a huge mistake. You might still be able to play it fine, but in writing it out you might run into trouble with notating a song in 10/8 if you are thinking 5/4.


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post Feb 23 2013, 07:43 AM
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Great input Matt and Ken smile.gif

For me it was also a matter of studying accents when trying to figure out the time signature of a song - at some point I was jamming with this crazy drummer who told me 'Hey what if I create a groove that is 4/4 and 3/8' Would it be accepted to look at it as 11/8? If phrased in such a way, of course. He thought of the 4/4 as 8/8, plus 3/8 it would give him 11/8.


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post Feb 23 2013, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ Feb 22 2013, 10:13 AM) *
Take Five is definitely in 7/8.


(Kidding tongue.gif)


I actually tried counting on 7/8 before I saw "kidding" on the bottom of your reply biggrin.gif laugh.gif LOL!

The result was this really wicked metric modulation, playing 7's over 5's. Which sounded cool biggrin.gif


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post Feb 23 2013, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 22 2013, 06:03 PM) *
Tarkus is a lot of 5/4 and then it actually goes into 4/4 at about 1:00. some of the 'transitions' seem like bars of 6/4(?)

Mahavishnu (just the main riff from 0:13 to 0:55) ...



Hint: the tempo is quick.


great one, actually got this album but haven't listened to it for ages

If I count right, it's 9/8 and indeed quite quick smile.gif


edit: next one


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post Feb 23 2013, 09:45 AM
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Yes sir, 9/8 it is!


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post Feb 23 2013, 11:55 AM
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Thanks for the replies very informational. I would love to see more of these challenges in the future, thanks!
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post Feb 23 2013, 05:19 PM
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21/8 for the S. Wilson? (or 21/4 - it's kind of slow feeling)
Or a 'compound' time sig - one bar of 10/8 and one bar of 11/8 maybe?
10½ / 4 ... ?

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post Feb 23 2013, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 23 2013, 05:19 PM) *
21/8 for the S. Wilson? (or 21/4 - it's kind of slow feeling)
Or a 'compound' time sig - one bar of 10/8 and one bar of 11/8 maybe?
10½ / 4 ... ?


I also got 21/8 on this one so you're up for the next one.
(hard to tell one definitive way of splitting this thing into smaller bars, 10/8 + 11/8 works, but so does 11/8 + 10/8 and some other things, too)

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post Feb 23 2013, 10:38 PM
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You know what? - though it's phrased in larger groupings of 21 ... now I just think it's 7/8 (with 3 bar phrases).
It's a lot simpler to count that way, lol!


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post Feb 23 2013, 11:53 PM
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More Mahavishnu. Why do I post a lot Maha Orch? This band is the mac daddy of odd times in a rock/jazz context. If you can get the time sigs in this $h1t - you can get anything!

This one has multiple answers (that's a hint actually). There's two different feels in this tune, 0:11 - 0:44 and at 2:52. Both are in the same time sig (or multiple of).




*One of the best (and most influential) albums for 'hearing' odd time sigs is Don Ellis' - "Electric Bath". Nothing on the record is in 4/4 but it's all pretty straight forward and relatively easy to hear. It's actually big band jazz from the late '60s - but don't let that scare you - it's super hip (even today) and it influenced EVERYBODY who was doing anything that was slightly prog or fusion at the time and I'm sure still today.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...0.0...0.0...1ac.

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