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post Mar 6 2013, 09:28 AM
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During practice on Saturday I was thrown in a loop when the leader said ok go for it Matt and I wanked out an uninspired 1st position Minor pentatonic collection of notes and noises as a solo.

So that evening I went home and crafted a short solo based around the melody with some controlled bends, pedal tones, arpeggios. Lovely

Come the concert unsure of where the solo was to be, when the moment came I wanked out an uninspired 1st position Minor pentatonic collection of notes and noises as a solo. rolleyes.gif


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post Mar 6 2013, 10:15 AM
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post Mar 6 2013, 11:10 AM
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Isn't that why we come to GMC?...so we don't do that.


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post Mar 6 2013, 11:12 AM
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This is perfectly normal. That is why we do band rehearsals. Playing something home and with a bend is very different and we need to practice it. Usually what happens is that in moments when the solo is about to start we tend to panic if we haven't rehearsed/practiced something well. Then usually - we go for something that we are most comfortable with, in this case minor pentatonic in 1st position. I'm sure if you had enough time to practice the solo you have composed to the point that you remember it and can play it any time - that solo would came out during the concert. When it comes to improvised solos - my advise would be to practice connecting boxes/positions and scales. That means when your solo time is on you can comfortably start with minor pentatonic 1st position and gradually move to other positions/scales and develop your solo. Its good to start with something your are well comfortable with (for a good first impressions) and then experiment a bit during the rest of the solo.

The more licks you have under your belt that have a lot of practice time, the more they'll start popping up in your solos.


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post Mar 6 2013, 03:47 PM
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post Mar 6 2013, 03:55 PM
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plan b always work smile.gif
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post Mar 6 2013, 05:13 PM
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Pretty normal really.

Here's my method ...
1) practice 'whatever it is' at home and be able to play it perfectly 20 times in a row.
2) get it right with the band in rehearsal at least twice.
3) get it right on an actual gig
... now I know it ...
Usually the first gig with whatever new material/new solo will be less than perfect because a gig - any gig - is not a practice and has unforeseen events and a potential for randomness that's impossible to prepare for.

When you practice, either by yourself or with a band, count how many times you've played the lick or solo or whole song wrong (or even with just one or two mistakes). You have to play it correctly more times than you play it in-correctly for there to be at least even odds that you'll nail it on a gig. So many players make the mistake of practicing until they 'get it right' once or twice. How many times did you play it wrong before that? The balance needs to be in favor of playing it right.

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post Mar 6 2013, 07:22 PM
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I used to rehearse my solos endlessly before I played live. Even then, it took many shows to be able to get comfortable with playing them as well in the rehearsal room or at home. Sometimes you can simplify it a bit for the sake of being more comfortable on stage. I think if their is uncertainty before a performance then you are not going to meet your standards. As the guys say, it is in the preparation. I would think that it would be better to rehearse the part with the band first before playing it live. The gigs you are not happy with, you can still take something from it and continue to improve on it for the next gig.


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post Mar 7 2013, 10:44 AM
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My 2 cents on this smile.gif

As Bogdan said - home, rehearsal,stage = 3 VERY different situations!

Ask yourself all the important questions - they will all come with experience - Ken pointed out great aspects as well so take heed wink.gif

Play the solo within the context after mastering it and be as relaxed as possible - it has to become a reflex in order for it to feel natural. When will your next performance take place?


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post Mar 9 2013, 01:29 PM
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I'm not sure when we'll do that song again, and I'll be playing acoustic for a while until our drummer is back from Brazil


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post Mar 9 2013, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Mar 9 2013, 12:29 PM) *
I'm not sure when we'll do that song again, and I'll be playing acoustic for a while until our drummer is back from Brazil


That's good.
How will you prepare for the eventuality that you will at some point play it again? And will you get it right? ph34r.gif


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post Mar 9 2013, 09:19 PM
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I've forgotten who it was, but somebody said that achieving excellence in anything is a survival game. There are millions of guitar players who come to "why do I bother" moments like yours and just eventually fall out - stop playing or move from focused practice to dabbling. The ones who are - or who become - great players find ways to keep inspired and move through doubt and frustration and "I suck" episodes, which I think come at every level (not that I would know that from experience biggrin.gif). There are no shortcuts. It takes lots of time and effort to learn, then internalize and then produce at a rehearsal or gig. If it was easy, the world would be filled with [fill in your favorite guitarist]. smile.gif
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post Mar 9 2013, 10:59 PM
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Right now my gig for the last two weeks has been playing a production of Eric Idle's 'Spamalot'. I have to play electric, nylon string, banjo and ukelele. Everybody in the pit both busts each other and comes clean themselves on the mistakes they/we make (we also get scolded by the conductor as well as the contractor when we F' up good). You of course strive for perfection - don't quite achieve it - and try again tomorrow. It's part of the fun of being a musician ... no end game!


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post Mar 10 2013, 07:25 AM
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I'll nail it next time, the internal shame I felt the first time is one time too many.

Now I have my recording set up I'm going to create backiing tracks for all my solo parts just to practice them.

I might even change the progressions to something less pedestrian to make more interesting solos. We'll see how my theory knowledge and application comes on in the theory forum before that happens though!


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post Mar 10 2013, 09:23 AM
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I do believe you will find a lot of interesting aspects in these two articles I just posted here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry636289 smile.gif


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post Mar 10 2013, 03:13 PM
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There's definitely no chance of me giving up!


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post Mar 10 2013, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Mar 10 2013, 02:13 PM) *
There's definitely no chance of me giving up!


That's very good man! Have you read the articles?


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