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Bogdan Radovic
post Apr 5 2013, 11:20 AM
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I have heard a lot of times the expressions that we "pay extra for the brand name on the headstock" and also the completely oposite ones where "name doesn't matter at all".

What is your opinion?
How much are those letters on the headstock important to you when deciding on buying a new instrument?


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post Apr 5 2013, 02:35 PM
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Hmmm

Depends on the name on the headstock. Some represent companies of really good quality and customer service.
The whole Gibson/Fender type name means little to me, they are trading on heritage more than current values.


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post Apr 5 2013, 02:44 PM
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Getting a guitar with a popular brand name makes it easier to sell if you decide to do it. If you don't have in mind this, then the most important is that you feel comfortable with the guitar and you like the tone, nothing else matters.


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post Apr 5 2013, 02:46 PM
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That's true Gab, I have never thought about re sale value and ease when buying a guitar, it's almost like entering marriage with a prenup!


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post Apr 5 2013, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 5 2013, 05:44 AM) *
Getting a guitar with a popular brand name makes it easier to sell if you decide to do it. If you don't have in mind this, then the most important is that you feel comfortable with the guitar and you like the tone, nothing else matters.


We've sort of talked about this before in the 'custom' guitar (as in, what would want in a ... ) thread.
If you have money and you just don't care about re-sale value then no, it doesn't matter - and it shouldn't. But if you think you might want to sell it you better think about it or pray that some soon to be famous guitarist (maybe even you?) uses it.

One of my best playing/sounding axes is an Ibanez. And though it has slightly increased in value (it's 1979 335 rip-off model) it would't bring a 10th of it's Gibson counterpart in resale value. Even though most Gibson 335s of that period are probably some of the biggest POSs on the planet.

I cut my teeth in the 70s and 80s and I can tell you first hand that 90% of most Fenders and Gibsons manufactured during those 20 years are substandard instruments - but they command HUGE resale prices these days. History and Name association/recognition. 'Historicity' as Phillip K. Dick called it.

For me, if the new instrument is even a little pricey - I won't consider it unless it has a 'name' on the headstock.


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post Apr 6 2013, 11:39 AM
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The thing about brands is that many times they have become icons, something we've seen in the hands og so many guitarists and bands we enjoy, and that makes us own one too.

Who doesn't love a strat, a tele, Les Paul, SG... they have become more than guitars they are now part of rock history and popular culture.

And that's why many of us like to have a certain brand name guitar.

Having said that, and maybe because I already know how Gibson, Fender and others feel, if I had to keep just one guitar one it would be my Ibanez!


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post Apr 6 2013, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 5 2013, 05:32 PM) *
We've sort of talked about this before in the 'custom' guitar (as in, what would want in a ... ) thread.
If you have money and you just don't care about re-sale value then no, it doesn't matter - and it shouldn't. But if you think you might want to sell it you better think about it or pray that some soon to be famous guitarist (maybe even you?) uses it.

One of my best playing/sounding axes is an Ibanez. And though it has slightly increased in value (it's 1979 335 rip-off model) it would't bring a 10th of it's Gibson counterpart in resale value. Even though most Gibson 335s of that period are probably some of the biggest POSs on the planet.

I cut my teeth in the 70s and 80s and I can tell you first hand that 90% of most Fenders and Gibsons manufactured during those 20 years are substandard instruments - but they command HUGE resale prices these days. History and Name association/recognition. 'Historicity' as Phillip K. Dick called it.

For me, if the new instrument is even a little pricey - I won't consider it unless it has a 'name' on the headstock.


That's why I play a 1982 Burny Les Paul !


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post Apr 6 2013, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Apr 6 2013, 04:52 AM) *
That's why I play a 1982 Burny Les Paul !


In the states Burnys and Grecos command pretty good prices (if it's known that that's what they are). Probably because 1) they started doing the high quality knockoff thing years ago and 2) a lot of high profile players admit to using them (Slash being the most vocal advocate early on).

*Many many players have replicas - but with the 'correct' decal on the headstock.


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post Apr 6 2013, 08:18 PM
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I love fenders, and gibsons. I wouldn't be taken to the music store and pay full price. I have bout all my guitars second hand for a good deal.
The fender select is gorgeous, like art. Sam ash has got it for 1300 us because of over stock, and I think I have to get it, my girls gonna chew me out but I gotta have it. Don't know why but when it comes to other guitars I just love the way fenders feel and look. When I step in my house the first thing I look at is my guitars on the wall. Even a well playing guitar that's cheaper doesn't do it for me. I just like looking at them as much as playing them. I want to collect them and have them forever.
But I do agree with people saying they are over priced. And Sam ash selling a guitar for 700 less than what it usually sells for shows that the price is jacked up

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post Apr 6 2013, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 5 2013, 01:44 PM) *
Getting a guitar with a popular brand name makes it easier to sell if you decide to do it. If you don't have in mind this, then the most important is that you feel comfortable with the guitar and you like the tone, nothing else matters.



I agree with you Gab. The brand of the guitar definitely determines the resale value of the guitar. But thats the second question.
First one is: How does a brand of a guitar and a guitarhero who plays that kind of guitar influence me in my decision to buy that guitar.
For example: Years ago i decided to buy a Fender Customshop Strat 60 reissue. I ordered that guitar in colour Olympic white as far as my formerly guitarhero Thomas Blug played a original 61 Strat. Same day i ordered the guitar, the shopmanager offered a original refinished 65
Strat to me. Dump ass me - i didn't buy it, cause of the colour 3 tone sunburst what reminds me of Country Players (yehaw!). Stupid me ... i missed a awesome deal for some bucks more.

A friend of me invited me some months ago for a special guitar blind audition. The deal was: Find your own voice on guitar, your own sound and the sound that you like (not what you like to see in your hands). We had around 20 different guitars to choose (most of them Strattype guitars). The playing musican had his eyes blindfold so that he couldnt see the instrument. Always the same Amp (Marshall JVM 410 H with clean, crunch and leadtone). Very interesting experiment what i can recommend to everyone. Suddenly the Cheapoguitar didn't sound so bad anymore, the expensive top of the line Customshop guitar did not win the race. Have to try that by yourself.
Yes i recognized my two main guitars among all of the others, as far as i'm very used to those guitars. When buying a new axe im thinking about buying it blindside - just "listening to my ears, not listening to my eyes"




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post Apr 6 2013, 10:43 PM
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I'm not a Fender guy - I will say that. biggrin.gif That don't really produce the style of music I go for. Ibanez is more like it. But there are many more - it's really what the company offers in terms of what the guitars sound, feel, and look like. If I don't like the way a guitar looks - i won't pick it up. I am very image-biased when it comes to guitars. If I like the way it looks, then I will pick it up and try it.

Sometimes I will be drawn to a company if a musician I like has one. biggrin.gif Like when I bought a Jackson SLSMG exactly like Trond Vold's.

There are companies like Mayones and Skervesen guitars - such beautiful guitars but are way out of my price range.





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post Apr 7 2013, 01:31 PM
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I have a schecter hellraiser( about 2 years old), it has completely ruined all my other guitars.
so if all schecters play like this one, brand will matter
of course , my problem you all know about is being left handed , I can't just walk into a store and try another one out
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post Apr 7 2013, 02:12 PM
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Yes - guitar brand determines some quality level that cannot be downgraded below some thin border line but...Guitars are not something really repeatable and what I found through years of playign is that when You have more expirience with high end guitars You can also more objectively appreciate some cheap producionts of no-name trademarks. Funny thing that mentioned Mayones and Schecter guitars are on my top guitars list. It depends of how much You have got to spend on guitar but if it's quite small ammount of money...Schecter is a killer choice smile.gif Anyway I've owned a few of them and after some pretty cheap improvements those were studio quality guitars. But... As those cheap series where new in europe...those were better guitars than the current production - I mean the range of 200-300 $. Anyway...diamond series is still a taugh one as competition for other producers.


Currently I don't look at trademarks. Lately some guy from my neighbourhood made a strat for somewhere about 300$ and...this guitar smashed my face....I think I'm gonna order one.


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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 7 2013, 02:12 PM) *
But... As those cheap series where new in europe...those were better guitars than the current production - I mean the range of 200-300 $. Anyway...diamond series is still a taugh one as competition for other producers.


Do you mean the SGR Schecter guitars?

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post Apr 7 2013, 02:33 PM
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Nope...I mean Diamond series - like Omen 6, Omen Extreme, 006, etc smile.gif I had a few old And I have an acces to many new productions as I work at music shop and new ones had some fret leveleling isssues.


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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 7 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Nope...I mean Diamond series - like Omen 6, Omen Extreme, 006, etc smile.gif I had a few old And I have an acces to many new productions as I work at music shop and new ones had some fret leveleling isssues.


Have you tried those SGR guitars by Schecter?

I thought they stop making the Omen 6 and Omen Extreme or anything under the Diamond series.
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Omen 6 and Omen Extreme whre from diamond series...that's what is weird - We speak about series and it's a na amount from 300$ to 1000$...I have't opportunity to play SGR yet


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post Apr 7 2013, 03:34 PM
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I would never buy a guitar with a word Mayonaise written all over the Headstock.
Don't think that they're bad, just simply couldn't buy it at all!!

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QUOTE (Slavenko Erazer @ Apr 7 2013, 08:34 AM) *
I would never buy a guitar with a word Mayonaise written all over the Headstock.
Don't think that they're bad, just simply couldn't buy it at all!!

It's a different spelling than the condiment mayo. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (thefireball @ Apr 7 2013, 05:52 PM) *
It's a different spelling than the condiment mayo. biggrin.gif

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I wonder how much brand does matter now that you said that...If you had a guitar like that, I don't think it would matter if it had 'Tomato Ketchup' written on the headstock! smile.gif


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