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post Jan 3 2014, 02:07 PM
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Shape I showed is one of the major shapes. I need You to find another. Both will be major. Temporary leave the minor alone


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post Jan 3 2014, 02:20 PM
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i write below the shape so its:

2 4| 1 2 4| 1 3 4| 1 3 4 | 2 4 | 1 2 4

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post Jan 7 2014, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Lukasz Drazek @ Jan 3 2014, 02:20 PM) *


i write below the shape so its:

2 4| 1 2 4| 1 3 4| 1 3 4 | 2 4 | 1 2 4



This is just a variation...but the more of them You know, the better fretboard knowledge You get.
It's not the one I wanted so let's keep searching. There is very basic shape for major scale done at the music chool. It start from 2nd finger on the root note. It's in the 7th position (for C-major) try to figure out this one smile.gif


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post Jan 7 2014, 07:35 PM
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From lowest string
A ) 8 10 | 7 8 10 | 7 9 10 | 7 9 10 | 8 10 12 | 8 10 12
Maybe its this one?

Or even

B ) 8 10 | 7 8 10 | 7 9 10 | 7 9 | 6 8 10 | 7 8 10

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post Jan 9 2014, 06:39 PM
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Yep! Those are most common shapes. smile.gif Now I need You to write all the chords that belong to the C-major key. We create those chords using only the notes from this particular scale. What would be the names of the chords? You can use the shapes fro major scale to support Your analysis


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post Jan 9 2014, 07:48 PM
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C major notes:
C D E F G A B

1)C E G - C major

2)D F A - D minor

3)E G B - E minor

4)F A C - F major

5)G B D - G major

6)A C E - A minor

7)B D F - B half diminished

I found that is there B half dim, and i notice that from B to D is 3 half steps, and from B to F is 6 half steps(fifth reduced) and its dimished chord there

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post Jan 11 2014, 01:23 PM
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It's almost correct but...

In the world of harmony (at least looking at the basics of theory...otherwise all is possible) we build harmony with the thirds. When we take very basic combination of 3 notes we get the triads (trójdźwięki). From a definition triad is a sound of 3 notes played at he same time of course we have only 4 types of triads that are most popular - major, minor, diminished and augmented. All those are made of thirds in different variations (simple math - we have 2 types of thirds and we can switch them however we like between those 3 notes of triad). Now here we come with the word "chord". Chord is "at least" 3 notes and most of the chords we now are built form the additional thirds. This is how we get 7th chords. It just another 3rd in the chain, added to the last note of the triad. Now there is a difference between

B D F - a triad = 2 x minor third = diminished chord
B D F A - a chord (7th chord) = 2 x minor third + 1 x major third (F - A) = half diminished (Bm7b5)

So as You can see if we play just those 3 notes we have a pure diminished triad. It becomes halfdiminished only when we add another 3rd from the scale.

Now You know what is the difference?



Theory is a bit twisted. We learn rules and then we break them but...there is now way to teach it if I just say "everything is possible". Naming the triads an chords depends of the key we play in. Sometimes exactly the same shape oin guitar will have different name. This is because of 5 lines notes notation. In some keys we will not have a C note but we will call it B#...for example ...C# major.


Now let's go to the circle of 5ths.

Here's a good article:

http://www.music-theory-for-musicians.com/...-of-fifths.html

Music Theory has much to do with the math. People tried to make patterns to describe some natural music behaviors.

C-major opens the circle of 5th's. Now a 5th from C we will have a key with one sharp mark = F# = G major. Then we go one more 5th up and we have D. D major will have the sharp mark from the previous key (G) + one additional - sharp 7th (C#). This is also a reason of sharp order notation in the notes. That's basicly how it works.



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post Jan 11 2014, 02:15 PM
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Ok i got it this circle. And with that diminished chord so, what i understand is:

B D F - chord diminished (2x minor third)

B D F A - half diminished chord

B D F# - minor chord

so this will be augmented chord, am i right?
B D G - augmented chord

B D G A - it will be half augmented chord ?

i think i understand this. If this augmented chord is correct what is your next task?

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post Jan 13 2014, 08:55 PM
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B D G is not augmented because B --> D is a minor third and augmented chord should be 2 x major third

Also....we don't use a half-augmented name. We rather call them augmented 7, where 7 is minor (same as with half-dimninished)


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post Jan 13 2014, 11:26 PM
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So:
B D# G augmented chord --- 2x major third
B D# G A# augmented7 chord --- 2x major third + 1x minor third
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post Jan 15 2014, 12:21 AM
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Exactly smile.gif

Now let's find some cool backing to work on this in real. Do You have any in mind?


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post Jan 15 2014, 12:58 AM
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Is no matter what key of track is? yet i dont find.

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post Jan 15 2014, 09:15 AM
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You can choose a bcking track from one of the lessons You did in REC take smile.gif


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