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Todd Simpson
post Apr 12 2013, 09:00 PM
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Just noticed this. It's a pretty close match down to the white piping on the side. The details are different, differnt pickups (but humbucker slots on both) different locking trems (but locking floyd style trems on both) and the OLA has an inverted Ibby looking headstock and his logo. But It does seem strongly influenced by the Ibanez Design. I'm wondering if they play like an Ibanez? If so that would be a HUGE selling point for me. smile.gif

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post Apr 19 2013, 02:56 AM
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Looks like any other black Ibanez to me. I agree the white binding on a black super-strat 7 string has become a very S7G thing though, but S7G would never be caught dead using EMG routing in their guitars, they know better. biggrin.gif


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post Apr 26 2013, 05:06 AM
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Bingo! smile.gif It seems they have adopted many of the things that make the IBBY guitars some of my faves. I like the choice of passive pickups on a 7 (as the SG7 has here) as well but that's just preference. Also prefer the black on the hardware instead of the chrome/black on the IBBY but again, just prefs. It's almost like they took a Jshop Custom and tweaked it a bit. I must say I'm really curious to try an SG7 and see how they play smile.gif

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Looks like any other black Ibanez to me. I agree the white binding on a black super-strat 7 string has become a very S7G thing though, but S7G would never be caught dead using EMG routing in their guitars, they know better. biggrin.gif



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post Apr 26 2013, 08:20 AM
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I dunno man, to me it just looks like another brand of super strat. The SG7 body looks a bit bigger and less curvy, especially the tail end.
It looks almost square back there,and to me it looks more like my old Kramer in the back than that Ibanez you have pictured. All the curves look less pronounced on the SG7 to me except for maybe the bottom curve. BTW I like the active EMG's in my Ibanez S-470. smile.gif Different strokes for different folks. I am with you though Todd about the black on black rather than chrome hardware.Also, I don't know that I like the idea the SG7 has no tone knob.But hey if they were giving them away I would take either one, beggars can't be choosers. biggrin.gif


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post May 3 2013, 09:00 PM
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Good point! I had a KRAMER FOCUS and the back does look like it. I've seen KRAMER making a comeback of late. Started seeing reissues of the PACER and BARETTA!

Speaking of ACTIVE PICKUPS, I had the KERRY KING EMG set in my Minarik Lotus Custom (Sorta like a Les Paul body) and it really worked well. The sustain was amazing. I had EMG 808s in my 8 String ESP as well and that really didn't do it for me. I loved EMG pickups up to that point. For some reason, on Extended Range instruments, the lower strings don't sound right with the EMGs I've used. Maybe I'm using the wrong ones though as so many ER guitars use EMGs. Then again, it could have been the guitar. I sold the ESP for an 8 string Ibanez.

I must say the pickups in the 8 string Ibanez are not thrilling. It's the RG8, bottom of the range 8 string so I shouldn't expect LUNDGREN pickups, but I think I"m going to have to swap them out!!

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I dunno man, to me it just looks like another brand of super strat. The SG7 body looks a bit bigger and less curvy, especially the tail end.
It looks almost square back there,and to me it looks more like my old Kramer in the back than that Ibanez you have pictured. All the curves look less pronounced on the SG7 to me except for maybe the bottom curve. BTW I like the active EMG's in my Ibanez S-470. smile.gif Different strokes for different folks. I am with you though Todd about the black on black rather than chrome hardware.Also, I don't know that I like the idea the SG7 has no tone knob.But hey if they were giving them away I would take either one, beggars can't be choosers. biggrin.gif



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post May 6 2013, 07:22 PM
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I think the S7G looks more flat and less curvy because the Ibby has a somewhat shiny finish. Also, I think the necks seem different tongue.gif Gear noob here!


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post May 6 2013, 08:14 PM
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Other than the 'monkey grip', don't they ALL just look like Ibanez JEMs ... (which is basically a super strat).
https://www.google.com/search?q=ibanez+jem&...279&bih=599

*as mentioned in another thread - guitarists are a conservative bunch.

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post May 7 2013, 01:08 AM
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True smile.gif Just noticed that the overall impression was very similar IMHO. I almost thought the SG7 was an Ibanez at first.
QUOTE (sammetal92 @ May 6 2013, 02:22 PM) *
I think the S7G looks more flat and less curvy because the Ibby has a somewhat shiny finish. Also, I think the necks seem different tongue.gif Gear noob here!



Pretty much!! smile.gif The "Super Strat" approach seems to have settled on various interpretations of early 80's Ibanez RG guitars. The Kramer super strats (rounder edges), Jackson Super Strats (bit smoother corners) and others that started around the same time doing super strats, seem to have headed towards a more standardized IBBY shape for wads of models. Of course, there are as many shapes as there are stars in the sky and some folks find some differences subtle, others find them dramatic.

But yup. It seems there is a huge center of gravity around this type of super strat shape. I'm a fan of it myself smile.gif But it could use a tweak or few IMHO. But that's why God made Custom Guitars I suppose smile.gif

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QUOTE (klasaine @ May 6 2013, 03:14 PM) *
Other than the 'monkey grip', don't they ALL just look like Ibanez JEMs ... (which is basically a super strat).
https://www.google.com/search?q=ibanez+jem&...279&bih=599

*as mentioned in another thread - guitarists are a conservative bunch.



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post May 7 2013, 01:38 AM
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I played that new Ibanez (6 string version however) and it felt, played, and sounded phenomenal!


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post May 7 2013, 02:18 AM
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This thread and the un-conventional guitar thread made me think about guitar synths.
They've been around since the 70s (Arp Avatar - Page, Steve Miller) but didn't really make inroads to mainstream guitar culture until Roland's GK2 synth pickup system ... which is installed into - no surprise - a garden variety Stratocaster, lol!

1958 = Flying V and Explorer. Say what you want about Gibson but so far, not too much is more radical design wise.
Steinberger 'headless' is really about the only thing that's much different - that's one. Probably has a lot to do with ergonomics as Todd mentioned in the other thread.

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post May 7 2013, 07:11 AM
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In 1958 the Flying V and Explorer were exotic shapes to be sure!

In the decades since, sadly, Gibson and Fender have fallen victim to the "conservative" impulse as you mentioned in another post. Both vendors have been making the shame shapes now for about half a century. If it ain't broke, don't fix it seems to be working for them just fine smile.gif

There are some makers, even big vendors who have gotten a bit more creative in their guitar shapes. But even those are loosely based on designs from Gibson (primarily explorer and V based twists on the theme) E.g

Ibanez Xiphos (roughty a explorer front with a V back)
Dean Razorback (same idea, explorer front V back)

And some vendors actually challenged the mold and came up with new shapes!! EG.

BC RICH BICH (Now that looks like it's own thing)
BC RICH WARLOCK (Again, it's own thing)
BC RICH MOCKINGBIRD ( almost a less paulish vibe, but pretty different)
BC RICH WARBIRD (this actually looked a lot like a RAZORBACK to me smile.gif

So yeah. Guitar buyers in general seem to favor traditional/conservative shapes, otherwise, Telecasters and Les Pauls wouldn't be made by the million. BC Rich has gone out of Business twice and been resurrected by the same company than now owns several vendors and all the guitars get made in the same factories in India and Korea.

I have seen some truly original designs from Boutique Vendors. It seems like the smaller Luthier shops are taking up the banner of being Original and Creative in their designs to some degree do differentiate their guitars. Then again, some boutique vendors use lots of super strat and V shapes as well. Looks like Tradition has it's place even in Rock and Roll smile.gif

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QUOTE (klasaine @ May 6 2013, 09:18 PM) *
This thread and the un-conventional guitar thread made me think about guitar synths.
They've been around since the 70s (Arp Avatar - Page, Steve Miller) but didn't really make inroads to mainstream guitar culture until Roland's GK2 synth pickup system ... which is installed into - no surprise - a garden variety Stratocaster, lol!

1958 = Flying V and Explorer. Say what you want about Gibson but so far, not too much is more radical design wise.
Steinberger 'headless' is really about the only thing that's much different - that's one. Probably has a lot to do with ergonomics as Todd mentioned in the other thread.



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post May 7 2013, 07:51 AM
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I actually like Fender and Gibson to be traditional. In fact I wish they's just make a consistently good product that isn't at a stupid high price point. But they - Gibson in particular - actually worry about being perceived as 'not with the times' and then come out with shizz like the Firebird X or guitars that tune themselves. That's not what Gibson - the venerable electric guitar company - should do. Leave that stuff to the smaller/newer/exotic companies and focus on what they do best - LPs, SGs, 335s, etc.
Fender sort of does that. They've stopped trying to incorporate non-Fenderesque shapes into their arsenal. And they did start the whole 'relic' thing (for better or for worse). But they too are one of the older kids on the block now.


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post May 7 2013, 06:27 PM
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There is something to be said for sticking with what works and building quality vs trendy guitars. Now that some boutique vendors offer nice guitars for a mid range price ( eg blackhart guitars) I am hoping the bigger shops will step. Up their game to remain competitive. But, we shall see.


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QUOTE (klasaine @ May 7 2013, 02:51 AM) *
I actually like Fender and Gibson to be traditional. In fact I wish they's just make a consistently good product that iswn't at a stupid high price point. But they - Gibson in particular - actually worry about being perceived as 'not with the times' and then come out with shizz like the Firebird X or guitars that tune themselves. That's not what Gibson - the venerable electric guitar company - should do. Leave that stuff to the smaller/newer/exotic companies and focus on what they do best - LPs, SGs, 335s, etc.
Fender sort of does that. They've stopped trying to incorporate non-Fenderesque shapes into their arsenal. And they did start the whole 'relic' thing (for better or for worse). But they too are one of the older kids on the block now.



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