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Todd Simpson
post May 6 2013, 08:12 AM
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Misha from Periphery has a new Overdrive pedal and this vid shows him with his AXE FX unit and the custom pedal, and the original pedal the custom is based on.

The reason I thought I'd share this, is that it shows a big "Trick of the Trade" for many crazy gain guys use to get their sick tone. In short, they put an overdrive (typically a tube screamer sort of pedal) in front of their setup whether it's a TUBE HEAD or a AXE FX Processor .

Of course, you can get PLENTY OF GAIN WITHOUT THIS TRICK. Many people do just fine without it smile.gif But many put an overdrive type pedal (not a distortion, big diff actually) with the gain on low and volume on high, to give their tone punch and bite.

This trick also works if you are using a POD, USB INTERFACE, ETC. Essentially, it's acting as a little tubey sort of pre-amp boost which makes the distortions in a given setup sound a bit meaner. So if you were wondering how Misha and other folks get that tone, well, that's how smile.gif Here is the vid.



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post May 6 2013, 08:55 AM
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Yep...I know what You mean Todd smile.gif I do it to have a crunch tone on my amp dist and I boost it usually for just a few moments or for very ordinary playing. I use micro amp booster or distortion III - both by MXR. Each one gives me different type of boost and makes versatile pack of tones.


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post May 6 2013, 09:21 AM
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I am using my Suhr Shiba Drive in basically the same way - by that I mean that, it's an overdrive pedal meant to act as a booster to my riffing or lead tone (in respect to the given situation), giving it more gain but keeping it clear and clean in the same time. Thanks for sharing Todd!


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post May 7 2013, 01:15 AM
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I really hope that some of our students give this approach a shot if they are not already doing so. Especially when using something like AMPLITUDE, GUITAR RIG, OVERLOUD, having a bit of clean boost on the way in can really help a given "patch"/Preset sound WADS AND WADS AND WADS BETTER!!!

Not to mention, it can make even a cheeeaaaaaappp combo amp sound waaaaaaaayyyy better especially during SOLO passages.

So many new players really struggle with their tone. Relying sometimes too much on a given amp, plugin, when just adding a bit of boost at the front end could open up a whole new world of tone.

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 6 2013, 04:21 AM) *
I am using my Suhr Shiba Drive in basically the same way - by that I mean that, it's an overdrive pedal meant to act as a booster to my riffing or lead tone (in respect to the given situation), giving it more gain but keeping it clear and clean in the same time. Thanks for sharing Todd!



I really hope that some of our students give this approach a shot if they are not already doing so. Especially when using something like AMPLITUDE, GUITAR RIG, OVERLOUD, having a bit of clean boost on the way in can really help a given "patch"/Preset sound WADS AND WADS AND WADS BETTER!!!

Not to mention, it can make even a cheeeaaaaaappp combo amp sound waaaaaaaayyyy better especially during SOLO passages.

So many new players really struggle with their tone. Relying sometimes too much on a given amp, plugin, when just adding a bit of boost at the front end could open up a whole new world of tone.

Todd


QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 6 2013, 04:21 AM) *
I am using my Suhr Shiba Drive in basically the same way - by that I mean that, it's an overdrive pedal meant to act as a booster to my riffing or lead tone (in respect to the given situation), giving it more gain but keeping it clear and clean in the same time. Thanks for sharing Todd!



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post May 7 2013, 08:11 AM
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I always mentioned that my tone is sometimes boosted in this way, in the lessons description, so might be some of the guys already tried it? C'mon, fast, fast, fast: who's already using this technique? smile.gif


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post May 7 2013, 09:37 AM
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I ALWAYS use an overdrive on my metal rhythm tone with those settings (Gain on 0, Volume on 10, Tone to taste). It increases picking dynamics, increases chord definition and clarity, tightens up the low end, adds more mids, and adds beautiful sustain to the sound... all of this on top of just enhancing what was already there. I NEVER make a metal tone without it, whether with the AxeFX II or with my pedalboard. Even for punk and hard rock I use it, the difference is amazing! I highly recommend it!


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post May 7 2013, 03:09 PM
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yeah, this is a very useful trick. I use my Jekyll & Hide overdrive or Joyo Vintage Overdrive for this. I love the sound that you get when you add an overdrive in this way. Thanks for sharing this cool video Todd! smile.gif


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post May 7 2013, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 7 2013, 02:09 PM) *
yeah, this is a very useful trick. I use my Jekyll & Hide overdrive or Joyo Vintage Overdrive for this. I love the sound that you get when you add an overdrive in this way. Thanks for sharing this cool video Todd! smile.gif


Another Visual Sound overdrive user! *high five* biggrin.gif I'm a Double Trouble man myself.


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post May 8 2013, 10:55 PM
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That is awesome. I've actually never even heard of this trick.

The tone that Misha has going. Killer.

It's quite the pricey pedal though. It's a pre-order product right now and it's going for around $230. I've never seen such an expensive pedal (other than a multi-effects pedal).

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QUOTE (ConnorGilks @ May 7 2013, 02:52 PM) *
Another Visual Sound overdrive user! *high five* biggrin.gif I'm a Double Trouble man myself.



Double Trouble is lovely, I would change my Jekyll by that one...


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 6 2013, 08:15 PM) *
I really hope that some of our students give this approach a shot if they are not already doing so. Especially when using something like AMPLITUDE, GUITAR RIG, OVERLOUD, having a bit of clean boost on the way in can really help a given "patch"/Preset sound WADS AND WADS AND WADS BETTER!!!

Not to mention, it can make even a cheeeaaaaaappp combo amp sound waaaaaaaayyyy better especially during SOLO passages.

So many new players really struggle with their tone. Relying sometimes too much on a given amp, plugin, when just adding a bit of boost at the front end could open up a whole new world of tone.

Todd


Ain't this the truth. It's actually hard to believe that something as simple as a pedal can make a world of a difference. I know when I owned my Mesa Triple Rectifier, it was kind of dull, bland, and slightly muddy. But then I used a Boss Metal Zone and a Ibanez TS-9. The Boss was great for getting into death metal like Cannibal Corpse, where the TS-9 added almost an invisible lift in tone. Didn't seem to really color it but tightened up the attack for my picking. Toss that bad boy on the clean channel boosted to vintage and you could rock out a dirty blues tone in a heartbeat.

I actually use a boost in the Kemper and it tightens up the tones pretty well.


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post May 9 2013, 05:30 AM
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BINGO!!! I've had students report being initially unhappy with their hugely pricey new amp setup (Mesa, Marshal, etc.) and not being able to get the tone they were looking for when buying the amp. Then after trying the "tube screamer preamp" trick, BAM! Instant amp love.

Of course, it's possible to get AMAZING tone without this. People do it all the time. Much "Tone" is in the fingers, and volume plays a large role when using a valve amp.

But adding less than $100 of pedal, in front of any rig, can often have a HUGE impact on the overal quality of the tone and make nearly any rig respond better especially during solos.

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QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ May 8 2013, 07:09 PM) *
Ain't this the truth. It's actually hard to believe that something as simple as a pedal can make a world of a difference. I know when I owned my Mesa Triple Rectifier, it was kind of dull, bland, and slightly muddy. But then I used a Boss Metal Zone and a Ibanez TS-9. The Boss was great for getting into death metal like Cannibal Corpse, where the TS-9 added almost an invisible lift in tone. Didn't seem to really color it but tightened up the attack for my picking. Toss that bad boy on the clean channel boosted to vintage and you could rock out a dirty blues tone in a heartbeat.

I actually use a boost in the Kemper and it tightens up the tones pretty well.



BIG SECRET: IT WILL WORK WITH ANY DECENT OVERDRIVE!!!!!


You DO NOT, repeat DO NOT need to overspend on the custom overdrives. You can get great results using a Cheap JOYO pedal. Just make sure you get a decent OVERDRIVE pedal. Distortion pedals act slightly differently and still work but yield a result that isn't always perfect for every setup. A used Tube Screamer, a used JOYO overdrive, a new NUX overdrive, etc. Any decent sounding overdrive pedal with volume up, gain down, tone past the mid point will do ya smile.gif

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That is awesome. I've actually never even heard of this trick.

The tone that Misha has going. Killer.

It's quite the pricey pedal though. It's a pre-order product right now and it's going for around $230. I've never seen such an expensive pedal (other than a multi-effects pedal).



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post May 9 2013, 07:17 AM
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There's a lot of options on the market guys. I thought this might come in handy, so check it out: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48805


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post Jul 29 2013, 09:54 PM
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Speaking of options, I just checked ebay and these misha custom pedals are going for $400!!!!!!!

Ouch!!! There are only $150 of them so maybe it's driving up the price due to simple supply and demand. I still have not gotten mine yet so by the time I do I"m Guessing they will be much cheaper on ebay smile.gif It looks like folks are waiting about 2 months from order to delivery so I"ve got a few weeks to go.......



QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 9 2013, 02:17 AM) *
There's a lot of options on the market guys. I thought this might come in handy, so check it out: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48805



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post Sep 4 2013, 06:51 AM
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DELUXE VERSION OF THE PROTONE MISHA OVERDRIVE!


It took so long to get my Misha pedal, that they came out with a "DELUXE" version and DENNIS (The guy who runs pro tone) offered to upgrade me for free!!!! Here's mine in action!!

and the first tracking I did with it. I re recorded some old parts and added new parts for SIX DEMON BAG!!

NO AMPS smile.gif Signal Chain: Strictly 7 Cobra with Lundgren M8 Pickups>Bulb Deluxe Pedal>Interface>Overloud TH1
*I have to say I think this is a great example of getting a really heavy sound WITHOUT A REAL AMP smile.gif

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/solo-backing-track-six-demon

Here is a pic of the pedal. It's got two switches instead of one on the original MISHA and the jacks are on the side, not the top. There are as "rare as British Dentists" smile.gif If you find one, GET IT!!!!

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post Sep 4 2013, 08:41 AM
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Awesome smile.gif Hey Todd - thanks for the mention in the FB comment tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 4 2013, 03:41 AM) *
Awesome smile.gif Hey Todd - thanks for the mention in the FB comment tongue.gif
http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/solo-backing-track-six-demon


Anytime smile.gif For those that missed it, the guy the builds/owns PRO TONE pedals is a BIG FAN OF COSMIN and he's a MEMBER HERE @ GMC!!!! Here is the facebook thread we are talking about. smile.gif

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Hey Todd! I'm impressed of the tone that you are getting of that software emulator combine with the new pedal. Thanks for sharing this sample and information.


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Spiff eh? The physical pedal combined with the software amp really works well together. I was suprised how well they combined. BIG KRUNCH!! smile.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 4 2013, 02:52 PM) *
Hey Todd! I'm impressed of the tone that you are getting of that software emulator combine with the new pedal. Thanks for sharing this sample and information.



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Thanks so much for the awesome tip and WOW. amazing tone.

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 4 2013, 05:51 AM) *
DELUXE VERSION OF THE PROTONE MISHA OVERDRIVE!


It took so long to get my Misha pedal, that they came out with a "DELUXE" version and DENNIS (The guy who runs pro tone) offered to upgrade me for free!!!! Here's mine in action!!

and the first tracking I did with it. I re recorded some old parts and added new parts for SIX DEMON BAG!!

NO AMPS smile.gif Signal Chain: Strictly 7 Cobra with Lundgren M8 Pickups>Bulb Deluxe Pedal>Interface>Overloud TH1
*I have to say I think this is a great example of getting a really heavy sound WITHOUT A REAL AMP smile.gif

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/solo-backing-track-six-demon

Here is a pic of the pedal. It's got two switches instead of one on the original MISHA and the jacks are on the side, not the top. There are as "rare as British Dentists" smile.gif If you find one, GET IT!!!!

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