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Darius Wave
post Jun 6 2013, 08:02 AM
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Yeah...I would stand by the Behringer as well because I tried tons of their products (working in the music shop) and we compard some of the truth series directly to Adam's, NS10's, KRK and Genelec's. I was considering buying them if there would be any budget problems. Of course I do agree - I would not advice Behringer as a good manufacturer. I would onlysuggest that You can find some random models that work fine and cost very little amount of money .

Finally bought the A7's from Adam but like someone said - Close field monitors need You to get used to / learn their sound. You need to learn to not overuse the low end (or just use the sub) and get known with their bright sound. They are not that cruel in the high middle (like NS10) but still less countour that KRK. When mixing on NS10 at the beggining we had some problems finding good midrange for guitars. Yamaha's had too many high mid's and when we found the good tone for guitars ...then it sounded to "scooped", dry and fizzy on the home audio gear like Denon, Technics amplituners with hi-fi speakers...


I use many different monitoring stuff and I found some people working only on the close field monitors (without the sub) do the mixes that sound awful on home cinema stuff or just a PC 2 +1 speakers. That's because they use too much base. I remember my first mixes on NS10's. I had no sub then and had to learn them for some time.

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post Jun 6 2013, 08:54 AM
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Lots of behri stuff sounds good...for a while. We had a buch of the mixers for our pa and they were fine, but not exactly road proof. Each lasted about a year of road.

I still have a xenyx 802 I use for drum submixes but it has developed quite a few issues over a few years of use. A coupla scratchy pots, left channel is a few db quieter than right, a wee bit background hum etc.. but works ok for now.

I used a minimon 800? For years in my home studio, but since I got a really quiet room, I realized it was a virtual noise generator really. Also some autocom compressor....realized simply plugging it in made the sound noticeably worse. But, I had to get rid of for instance a furman headphone amp because it's psu made such a lot of noise. My studio is so quiet now, I can hear wall warts humming and the biggest noise comes from my pc monitors making a buzzing sound. But I can tame that by changing contrast settings...I'd have never thought monitors make entirely different frequency noise (even unplugged from pc, just powered up)depending on their brightness etc. Settings. I mean, no way to hear it in a normal quiet room but now in my basement soundproof room, paper rustling sounds like an avalanche, and when I use the keyboard it feels like firing a submachine gun :-) anyway...now I can finally hear how different gear sounds so different.


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post Jun 6 2013, 09:31 AM
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Guess I'll stick to the KRK8 - but Todd, as I understood these are good in what regards lows, right? Would I also need to ad a sub later on for the KRK8?


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post Jun 6 2013, 03:30 PM
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Not quite Cosmin. The KRK8 is better than the 5 in terms of how low it can go before appreciable attenuation and in that price range is one of the better ones around. The advantage of the 8 is that you probably won't need to get a sub. The 5 and a properly set up sub should actually be better but it would cost more and you'd have to get the sub properly set up.

For those interested - To the best of my knowledge pretty much all monitors below £1000 are a near field, 2 way, open port monitors. As a generalisation all open port monitors that cost below @£1000 lack sufficient cabinet rigidity etc partly due to the port and this results in a bass that suffers from distortion, timing, filtering and placement issues. This is exacerbated as the monitor is two way because the mid band suffers from not having its own speaker, plus the crossover is compromised. Professional mastering engineers tend to use closed 3 way mid field monitors to try to overcome these issues.



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post Jun 7 2013, 11:42 AM
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Hey Tony, thank you very much for the input! I will go for the KRK8 as at this point it is the best choice, in respect to all the factors. Regarding the interfaces, I have recently found out about this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digidesign-003-Rac...=item43bc956ebb

and this one

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tc_electronic_desktop_konnekt_6.htm

There is a price difference of course - but I understood that the Digidesign is a very good piece of gear - the only thing is that it can only be found second hand...


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post Jun 21 2013, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jun 1 2013, 10:20 AM) *


I'd suggest that you stay away from the eMu and get the Scarlett.
However, if you could put just a bit more money together, I'd recommend this:
SaffirePro24

Much better unit IMHO with more options and better preamps for just a bit more than the Scarlett.


[quote name='Cosmin Lupu' date='Jun 7 2013, 10:42 AM' post='646677']
Hey Tony, thank you very much for the input! I will go for the KRK8 as at this point it is the best choice, in respect to all the factors.

If you have the capacity to do A/B listening, consider doing the KRKs vs the M-Audio BX8A d2s : M-Audio BX8A d2
I don't know what either will cost where you live but I see they both get good reviews.
I own the BX8As and they are very nice. and LOUD! With great Bass Response.
I'd love to hear them against the KRK8's myself!

I own the KRK 5's and seldom use them at all.
IMO, they are Lifeless.
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post Jun 22 2013, 01:00 AM
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TONI MIRO is, per usal, SPOT ON!!! The 8 has better bass response than the 5 and can work as a stand alone system and provide good results. You can always add a sub later of course, but I wouldn't say it was imperative. If you go with the 5/6 then a sub is more important as was mentioned smile.gif

P.S. The KRK tweeters can be, sometimes, a tad on the bright side, so they have a knob on the back to reduce the treble output. Be careful not to over do it, usually comparing them to another set, or some nice headphones can get you in the ball park. Of course, a spectrum analyzer is the best route, but we are talking quick and dirty home recording here smile.gif

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jun 6 2013, 04:31 AM) *
Guess I'll stick to the KRK8 - but Todd, as I understood these are good in what regards lows, right? Would I also need to ad a sub later on for the KRK8?



BTW: ABOUT THE POST ON THE SAFFIRE AND MAUDIO MONITORS:

GOOD CALL ON THE SAFFIRE!!!Nice mic pre, really solid unit!!!

HOWEVER: I can't jump in on the MAUDIO BX8A for one reason, THEY SOUND TOO GOOD!:) I've listened to both and the BX8A sound AMAZINGLY GOOD but that's not always what you want in mixing. They tend to be a smidge BOOM/TWEET happy and thus can impede you getting a mix that translates well IMHO sad.gif

They are fine speakers to be sure, but the LIFELESS quality in the KRKs is why I ended up going that direction to be honest. In that price range, the mixes seem to translate well on a variety of systems a bit better that any other options I've tried or tested.

The ADAM speakers are another good example. Double the price of the KRK but the tweeters are a tad too good.They sometimes make a mix sound like it has the right amount of airtweet, when the mix is actually a tad dull. Again, personal thoughts, your mileage may vary smile.gif


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The BX8A is I believe yet another 2 way ported design and as such it suffers from the same bass issues as other 2 way ported designs. Whether or not it's better than a KRK at the same price point but I think the KRK 8 is several hundred Euros cheaper As Todd says Adam would possibly be 'better' still but are again at a different price point and what constitutes 'better' depends on need, room design and construction, positioning, etc.

One thing that I would add which is important: You should not run your monitors 'loud' for long periods. You should listen at low perceived levels in order to both protect your hearing and in relation to the Fletcher Munsun curves. You should really be running your monitors at around 78dB as measured at your listening point. Too many people run their monitors at over 83dB for long perods and this may well result in hearing issues in their later lives. If you don't have a decibel meter a simple check of the level is to get someone to stand a few feet from you and talk to you quietly whilst your monitors play. If you can't hear what they are saying clearly then your level is probably too high.


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BRILLIANT POINT:

It didn't even occur to me to mention this but YES YES YES. You can get a FREE APP FOR ANDROID PHONES that will act as a quick and dirty decible meter from the Android Appstore online. It's accurate enough to show you when you are pushing it in terms of volume. Long term exposure to bigh DB material causes permanent damage and you get ONE PAIR OF EARS.

Think of having only one pair of strings for life? how would you treat them? Thats how folks should ideally treat their ears smile.gif It's not always feasible, but it's worth considering without doubt.

Also, high DB can cause perceptual issues when mixing due to various factors, (room modes/speaker design) so Toni is yet again spot on when he says LISTEN QUIETLY FIRST and OFTEN.

Todd



QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jun 22 2013, 03:14 AM) *
The BX8A is I believe yet another 2 way ported design and as such it suffers from the same bass issues as other 2 way ported designs. Whether or not it's better than a KRK at the same price point but I think the KRK 8 is several hundred Euros cheaper As Todd says Adam would possibly be 'better' still but are again at a different price point and what constitutes 'better' depends on need, room design and construction, positioning, etc.

One thing that I would add which is important: You should not run your monitors 'loud' for long periods. You should listen at low perceived levels in order to both protect your hearing and in relation to the Fletcher Munsun curves. You should really be running your monitors at around 78dB as measured at your listening point. Too many people run their monitors at over 83dB for long perods and this may well result in hearing issues in their later lives. If you don't have a decibel meter a simple check of the level is to get someone to stand a few feet from you and talk to you quietly whilst your monitors play. If you can't hear what they are saying clearly then your level is probably too high.


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