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Bogdan Radovic
post May 27 2013, 06:45 PM
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I was wondering, are there any famous (or less famous) songs that we know for a fact that they used some software plugins/modelers for guitar (Amplitube, Guitar Rig etc)?

Maybe there were some interviews where bands mentioned what they used in the studio?

It would be really cool to hear how those guitars can sound in final, commercial mix/production.


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post May 27 2013, 07:01 PM
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Lincoln Brewster (Ex Steve Perry guitarist, now Big in Contemporary Christian Worship artist) used Amp Farm on all but his last album where he used Axe Fx as well





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post May 27 2013, 08:55 PM
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This is a very interesting topic Bogdan! I don't know about any professional album that was recorded with plug in amp simulators but I'm very curious to know about this. I know that many bands are using Axe Ultra but I also wonder about guitar rig and amplitube...


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post May 27 2013, 09:17 PM
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Yes. Good question.
A lot of TV, movies, musicals are done with plug-ins, Axe FX and Eleven Rig. (I know this from personal experience.)
On 'real' records - I assume that at least a track here and there, a 'double', a very clean part, maybe some heavy effected part, etc. would/could be a plug in. I mean why not? The player may not even remember if they did it. Sometimes time gets away from you and you just need to get a part done. Or the original 'scratch' demo clean guitar part that was done with a POD is fine for the track.
It's not really that novel actually to have a non-amp'd guitar (or bass or Keys) part on a record. Recording some parts DI has always been common - regardless of the style. It's pretty easy at this point to patch what otherwise would be a 'direct' part through one of the many other options out there.

I can't imagine Trent Reznor doesn't use plug-ins. Or Adrian Belew.
It sounds like some of the guitar on the new Bowie album uses non-amp'd tones.

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post May 28 2013, 05:38 AM
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Re-amping d/i guitars has been around for a LONG time, the first time I recorded d/i guitar in studio was 1989. Only at that time there were no plugins...but I'm very sure plugs are used quite a lot in studios everywhere.

However, it's not something that'd be sexy and cool to say - it sounds far cooler to say we used old Marshalls for sound - than adding the word models between old and Marshall.

My friend runs a rather mid-sized, nice studio with several recording rooms and such, Amek board etc. And he routinely tracks any guitars d/i as well as the amp used. Without even mentioning it to the artist. Then, when they're mixing, he plays varieties of sounds to the artist, and he said most often they want to use his versions of the sounds instead of their trusty amp. Not always they'll even ever know he used a jvm Marshall head to re-amp (his favorite for rock and heavy) or software plugins. Or any combination of those.

There will always be purists recording full analog and no autotune or digital models, but if I had to guess, I'd venture more than 50 per cent of professional recordings use at least some amp or cab simulation on at least some of the tracks. It's just so easy to for instance create more separation between guitar tracks by altering the cab used between them for instance, I'd be amazed if people didn't use them quite routinely all over the world.

My main band's soon four albums have all been almost 100 percent amp Sims, although I occasionally record my jvm stack live too.

Since about 1999 I always used 'analog modeling' live and records as well, for instance for years it was Marshall JMP-1 preamp d/i to mixer with three analog cab modelers mixed to create a sound direct to tape or pa. Never miked the thing, although I used a 60w Peavey classic tube power amp for stage sound. Except small stages, used just pa monitoring.

I bet quite a few Marshall stacks you see live are just empty shells - you can actually rent those from pa companies - and the sounds may well come from a single heads d/i output or a modeler instead.


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post May 28 2013, 08:58 AM
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Bingo smile.gif Well said! IT's not sexy to say "yeah we used all plugins on our new record". Though the attitude is finally starting to shift in Genre music like Djent (not really a genre, I know.) where the AXE FX has become simply part of the landscape. Bands like periphery recording their first record using ez drummer and plugins at home sort of made it ok for Metalheads not to have to say "we used 12 marshall stacks and recorded drums in a huge church!)

I"d venture to guess that wads if not most heavy music recorded these days relies heavily on plugins/sims since the budgets have gotten so crazy low. The days of new bands getting long studio budgets are pretty much gone. Now, even Dragon Force, for example, record guitar tracks at home, using a Prophecy or Axe FX and keep the clean signal in case they need it during mix down.

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Re-amping d/i guitars has been around for a LONG time, the first time I recorded d/i guitar in studio was 1989. Only at that time there were no plugins...but I'm very sure plugs are used quite a lot in studios everywhere.

However, it's not something that'd be sexy and cool to say - it sounds far cooler to say we used old Marshalls for sound - than adding the word models between old and Marshall.

My friend runs a rather mid-sized, nice studio with several recording rooms and such, Amek board etc. And he routinely tracks any guitars d/i as well as the amp used. Without even mentioning it to the artist. Then, when they're mixing, he plays varieties of sounds to the artist, and he said most often they want to use his versions of the sounds instead of their trusty amp. Not always they'll even ever know he used a jvm Marshall head to re-amp (his favorite for rock and heavy) or software plugins. Or any combination of those.

There will always be purists recording full analog and no autotune or digital models, but if I had to guess, I'd venture more than 50 per cent of professional recordings use at least some amp or cab simulation on at least some of the tracks. It's just so easy to for instance create more separation between guitar tracks by altering the cab used between them for instance, I'd be amazed if people didn't use them quite routinely all over the world.

My main band's soon four albums have all been almost 100 percent amp Sims, although I occasionally record my jvm stack live too.

Since about 1999 I always used 'analog modeling' live and records as well, for instance for years it was Marshall JMP-1 preamp d/i to mixer with three analog cab modelers mixed to create a sound direct to tape or pa. Never miked the thing, although I used a 60w Peavey classic tube power amp for stage sound. Except small stages, used just pa monitoring.

I bet quite a few Marshall stacks you see live are just empty shells - you can actually rent those from pa companies - and the sounds may well come from a single heads d/i output or a modeler instead.



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post May 28 2013, 09:15 AM
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I'm sure many artists aren't aware that plugins have been used as deeaa said in many sessions a di guitar is recorded and then reamps with real amps or plugings by who ever mixes the tracks


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post May 28 2013, 11:20 AM
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We spoke about it for a few times. We have to be open minded. Nowadays the simulations quality is descent and hardly ever possible to recognize is it the real amp or amp sim. + This HUUUUUGE comfort of having the ability to work at home, at night on Your headphones and no matter what time it is You can still be "safe" for the neighbours smile.gif

One of my bands last album was fully made with amp sims + a few song on VOX amplug AC30.


But...to be clear. I tried many sims live and always went back to the traditionak amp. Even though those simulations sound great in the mix still something was missing in the live performance - not enought breath in the treble or some annyoing high mid freq's. Or just a big lost in the middle range. I'm not saying their bad for live playing but never worked for me

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post May 28 2013, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 28 2013, 10:20 AM) *
We spoke about it for a few times. We have to be open minded. Nowadays the simulations quality is descent and hardly ever possible to recognize is it the real amp or amp sim. + This HUUUUUGE comfort of having the ability to work at home, at night on Your headphones and no matter what time it is You can still be "safe" for the neighbours smile.gif

One of my bands last album was fully made with amp sims + a few song on VOX amplug AC30.


But...to be clear. I tried many sims live and always went back to the traditionak amp. Even though those simulations sound great in the mix still something was missing in the live performance - not enought breath in the treble or some annyoing high mid freq's. Or just a big lost in the middle range. I'm not saying their bad for live playing but never worked for me


Yep - in loud live playing, you just want that tube amp response and punch.


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post May 28 2013, 11:48 AM
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I once started a thread that mentioned this very thing...here Alvin Lee said he used amplitube. smile.gif

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post May 28 2013, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 28 2013, 12:58 AM) *
periphery recording their first record using *ez drummer* and plugins at home sort of made it ok for Metalheads not to have to say "we used 12 marshall stacks and recorded drums in a huge church!)

Todd


Good and overlooked point Todd.
Drums have been being sampled, triggered, replaced, etc. commonly in almost every genre (except trad, straight ahead jazz) for at least the last 15 years.

*Very heavy and very clean tones are relatively easy to get and make sound good w/out amps (on a recording). It's the crunchy, semi dirty tones that are difficult. They're so dependent on the players touch at the moment.


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