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AK Rich
post Jul 3 2013, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (vonhotch @ Jul 3 2013, 05:58 AM) *
Actually I had noticed this little bit of edge roll on some of mine and have tried to fix it by leaving the edges a bit less sharp and a bit thicker. But as these continue to evolve I do not always nail the perfect edge on everyone yet. I am confident that as the pick wears and gets into the thicker material the edge will find it's "happy spot" and wear a bit slower, and the thin roll will wear off as well. Please let me know if it creates a problem or continues to wear excessively. And actually since you mention it new specifically known alloys will be being tested soon. (Thanks GregH)

I keep getting great feedback like this so I am working hard to beat out all the bugs. They will keep getting better and better, I promise.



Hopefully they show up soon! Mail is so slow!

Right on VH, yeah it could be that after a short break in period the wear will slow, I put a couple hours of testing doing speed drills last night and didn't really notice much additional wear that I had noticed after the first few hours of playing with it.The tip seems to have rounded off slightly and settled which actually makes it easier rolling off the strings. I took the rolled edge off with one of my lady's fine grit fingernail files
(Shhh, don't tell her ph34r.gif) and then hit it with some green 3M abrasive pad, worked like a charm! smile.gif These picks seem to brighten the tone a bit and make the notes sound a bit more pronounced maybe and it really does feel good in my hand. So overall I am pretty happy with it so far.
Thanks again and it is my pleasure to provide feedback that may help in the evolution of these picks. smile.gif


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post Jul 3 2013, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (vonhotch @ Jun 20 2013, 07:58 PM) *
That is indeed the Invader.

And here is a finished test of that shuriken rendering.





Hey this One makes me interested !


Inform me when test period is successful done cool.gif ! PLEASE wink.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 10:33 AM
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My batch has arrived!!!

Will test them today and I'll write my thoughts here biggrin.gif


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post Jul 5 2013, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 3 2013, 04:22 PM) *
Right on VH, yeah it could be that after a short break in period the wear will slow, I put a couple hours of testing doing speed drills last night and didn't really notice much additional wear that I had noticed after the first few hours of playing with it.The tip seems to have rounded off slightly and settled which actually makes it easier rolling off the strings. I took the rolled edge off with one of my lady's fine grit fingernail files
(Shhh, don't tell her ph34r.gif) and then hit it with some green 3M abrasive pad, worked like a charm! smile.gif These picks seem to brighten the tone a bit and make the notes sound a bit more pronounced maybe and it really does feel good in my hand. So overall I am pretty happy with it so far.
Thanks again and it is my pleasure to provide feedback that may help in the evolution of these picks. smile.gif

Ha ha. That's what she gets for trying to make necklace out of it! laugh.gif I spent an hour today (which to be honest is the most time I have had in a bit) quadpicking my brains out trying to wear down a pick as much as possible and wear off the little bit of rounded edge and what seemed to happen is that the edge seemed to get smaller but I think that different playing styles and the way you hold you pick might have an effect on the way it wears, thus leaving the edge a bit different for everyone? What do you think? I think that I am going to start out leaving the edges even a bit thicker than they are now. This may prevent the "edge roll" but not the wear of the edge adjusting to the particular style of the player. I have played and think that even with a little of the "edge roll" that it is still functional, though I think it is a pain for people to have to remove it from a new pick if they find it an issue. I am curious if you would agree with this???

Also you had mentioned about the shrapnel coming off of the pick. The pick dust left behind. Before my practice today I cleaned the guitar with the best finish that I had and then tried to get the most dust left behind so I could try to scratch it!!! After I was done there was some on it and my first thought was to use a thin piece of paper or cardboard or something and try to make it as close to a "sandpaper" as possible, but what I found was that the cardboard scratched it by itself, in an area with no aluminum dust. So then I tried wiping it off with my finger and did not notice any noticable scratches. After that I used a cloth and Gibson pump polish to clean the finish, and also did not notice it effecting the finish of the guitar. It's not my intent to hide anything that might damage someones guitar, so I tested this first priority!!!!!! I hope to be honest and transparent with this process and if there are flaws do my best to perfect it. It was my experience today the aluminum dust did not scratch the finish when wiped off. It is probably possible to find an way in a worse case scenario to find a way to make it do so. But was not the case today.

Thanks Rich!!!

QUOTE (Dieterle @ Jul 3 2013, 04:29 PM) *
Hey this One makes me interested !


Inform me when test period is successful done cool.gif ! PLEASE wink.gif

Dieter


Dieter, that is a Cosmin special! biggrin.gif That is the one he is going to throw back at me if he does not like them. laugh.gif
They are getting better all the time as they evolve. The testing will go on forever (hopefully). I believe they work well as they are. They are not perfect, yet. But I am workiing on it. When you want to try one let me know we can work something out!!!!

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 4 2013, 09:33 AM) *
My batch has arrived!!!

Will test them today and I'll write my thoughts here biggrin.gif


So excited to hear what you think!!!!!! I can't wait.



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post Jul 5 2013, 08:17 AM
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Ok guys! I have given the VH picks a good ride yesterday for about 6 hours!

My conclusions are the following:

Ups - great feel, tone and picking accuracy - when I went back to the plastic one it felt a bit dull, so to say biggrin.gif
Downs - I managed to wear the edges off in one evening and it started hooking the strings a bit..

So, I would say that if VonHotch could find an alloy which does not wear off quickly, these could be a great companion for a lot of people! I have given one to my mate in Days of Confusion, as today he plays with his other band in a festival and he will tell me his thoughts about how he felt the picks in action onstage!


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post Jul 6 2013, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (vonhotch @ Jul 4 2013, 04:28 PM) *
Ha ha. That's what she gets for trying to make necklace out of it! laugh.gif I spent an hour today (which to be honest is the most time I have had in a bit) quadpicking my brains out trying to wear down a pick as much as possible and wear off the little bit of rounded edge and what seemed to happen is that the edge seemed to get smaller but I think that different playing styles and the way you hold you pick might have an effect on the way it wears, thus leaving the edge a bit different for everyone? What do you think? I think that I am going to start out leaving the edges even a bit thicker than they are now. This may prevent the "edge roll" but not the wear of the edge adjusting to the particular style of the player. I have played and think that even with a little of the "edge roll" that it is still functional, though I think it is a pain for people to have to remove it from a new pick if they find it an issue. I am curious if you would agree with this???

Also you had mentioned about the shrapnel coming off of the pick. The pick dust left behind. Before my practice today I cleaned the guitar with the best finish that I had and then tried to get the most dust left behind so I could try to scratch it!!! After I was done there was some on it and my first thought was to use a thin piece of paper or cardboard or something and try to make it as close to a "sandpaper" as possible, but what I found was that the cardboard scratched it by itself, in an area with no aluminum dust. So then I tried wiping it off with my finger and did not notice any noticable scratches. After that I used a cloth and Gibson pump polish to clean the finish, and also did not notice it effecting the finish of the guitar. It's not my intent to hide anything that might damage someones guitar, so I tested this first priority!!!!!! I hope to be honest and transparent with this process and if there are flaws do my best to perfect it. It was my experience today the aluminum dust did not scratch the finish when wiped off. It is probably possible to find an way in a worse case scenario to find a way to make it do so. But was not the case today.

Thanks Rich!!!

Yeah, I would agree that the picks are probably going to wear a bit differently for everyone, I hold my pick at right about a 35 to 40 degree angle.Call it a self adjusting pick! biggrin.gif
I think as I was using it that first day the pick wore down to a certain degree then seemed to stop rolling over, but I didn't continue to use it long enough to see if the rolled edge actually wore off. The rolled edge didn't really catch the strings for me, I guess because it's always on the trailing edge of the pick, but it just bugged me so I took it off. I haven't played much since that first initial break in period with it, probably about 4 hours of playing. I was thinking I would use it for Todds' chat and check for additional rolling again since his chat lessons are always good for massive amounts of pick strokes wink.gif
I also agree the pick is still functional after that initial wear, it may even work better for me because it rolls of the strings a bit easier. At first it was so sharp and pointy that it seemed to hang up a bit. Taking the edge off wasn't too big of a deal with the fine grit nail file and abrasive pad, it only took a minute or so, although I agree some folks might be irritated at having to do this.
I am glad to hear that you didn't scratch or dull your finish in your testing, I was kind of worried about that issue. When I cleaned my guitar I just blew the dust off before trying to wipe it down just to be on the safe side. Maybe some info and recommendations are in order to go along with the picks as you send them out.


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post Jul 7 2013, 02:31 PM
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Curious enough, the aluminum dust gathered on my thumb - on the side which faces the guitar. I am really curious to see what sort of alloy can be used in order to reduce the wear of these picks - I enjoyed the pointiness of the ones I have received so I would be happy to be able to keep them that way for as long as possible.


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post Jul 7 2013, 03:30 PM
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These do look great but I'm a fan of the V pick Stiletto, I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the picks that small and thin.

Though a few to go on chains would be good.

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post Jul 8 2013, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jul 7 2013, 02:30 PM) *
These do look great but I'm a fan of the V pick Stiletto, I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the picks that small and thin.

Though a few to go on chains would be good.


Thanks. Small is not a problem, thin seems to be where the issues start to come into play.


I will testing out some new alloys this week. I keep you guys updated, and post some pics, when I get them made.


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post Jul 9 2013, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (vonhotch @ Jul 8 2013, 05:42 PM) *
Thanks. Small is not a problem, thin seems to be where the issues start to come into play.


I will testing out some new alloys this week. I keep you guys updated, and post some pics, when I get them made.


Great news! I have shared your pics with more guitar playing friends and they enjoyed them - the only things that were downsides to them as well, were the fact that they wore off pretty quickly and the aluminum dust left on the thumb, so I am really looking forward to the results brought to the table by the usage of new alloys!


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post Jul 9 2013, 11:49 AM
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my 2 cents for what is worth, A pick made of softer material than the strings will wear down, however a pick made of material harder than the string , will wear the string down and break the string( usually in the middle of the song). I would rather have a softer pick than a string break in a live show.
So the ? becomes- does the sound the pick produces out way the pick loosing its edge. We change string every gig to get the best tone we can , so would it make sense to change picks every couple of songs to get the best tone possible
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post Jul 10 2013, 07:38 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jul 9 2013, 10:49 AM) *
my 2 cents for what is worth, A pick made of softer material than the strings will wear down, however a pick made of material harder than the string , will wear the string down and break the string( usually in the middle of the song). I would rather have a softer pick than a string break in a live show.
So the ? becomes- does the sound the pick produces out way the pick loosing its edge. We change string every gig to get the best tone we can , so would it make sense to change picks every couple of songs to get the best tone possible


That's very true, but we are not talking about regular picks here - from the business perspective, your clients will automatically become a smaller group of people that have the same vision with you and also have cash to spend. These picks are premium products - if you gig heavily, you will probably wear down a pick in, let's say, 2 concerts? Let's assume you don't use them to practice, but then, how will you get used to the feel? In 10 concerts you have wore down 5 picks, theoretically. It's a matter of finding a good balance - finding an alloy which is not too soft and not too hard - and reducing the proportion of picks used/ number of gigs in my opinion smile.gif


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post Jul 12 2013, 03:46 AM
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I have to say here that the OCTAVIOUS (Thick Version)
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pick that Vonhotch sent me hasn't worn AT ALL / ZERO / ZILCH, but it's a HUGE pick in terms of thickness compared to what average players are used to. I typically shoot for 1.5 MM (per the spec on my custom Vpicks) but with these picks, even though they are much thicker, it doesn't seem to get in the way. In fact, the dual sided bevel makes the actual contact point as thin as my other picks. The edge of the bevel is slightly rounded which makes string traverse a breeze as well as pinch harmonics.

In short, The thinner version that I tried (the KILLER looking V shaped pick with the cross on the front)
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had a bit sharper edge and wore a bit quicker and didn't seem to traverse or pinch as well as the octavious. Your mileage may vary of course, but it seems that the thinner the edge, the quicker the wear.

For a custom built pick like this, made of exotic (for a pick) material, I've had to let go of my previous conception of what sort of picks I like. (1.5, acetyl plastic, sharp as a needle) as I'm starting to figure out those specs were due partially to the material.

For this material, it seems that thicker is better. I thought it would feel odd, but it felt perfect after about 15 minutes. Now it's the only pick I'm using. I may go back to my VPICKS and CLAYTONS, but for now, I can't put the Octavious down smile.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 10 2013, 02:38 AM) *
That's very true, but we are not talking about regular picks here - from the business perspective, your clients will automatically become a smaller group of people that have the same vision with you and also have cash to spend. These picks are premium products - if you gig heavily, you will probably wear down a pick in, let's say, 2 concerts? Let's assume you don't use them to practice, but then, how will you get used to the feel? In 10 concerts you have wore down 5 picks, theoretically. It's a matter of finding a good balance - finding an alloy which is not too soft and not too hard - and reducing the proportion of picks used/ number of gigs in my opinion smile.gif


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post Jul 12 2013, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 12 2013, 02:46 AM) *
I have to say here that the OCTAVIOUS (Thick Version)
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pick that Vonhotch sent me hasn't worn AT ALL / ZERO / ZILCH, but it's a HUGE pick in terms of thickness compared to what average players are used to. I typically shoot for 1.5 MM (per the spec on my custom Vpicks) but with these picks, even though they are much thicker, it doesn't seem to get in the way. In fact, the dual sided bevel makes the actual contact point as thin as my other picks. The edge of the bevel is slightly rounded which makes string traverse a breeze as well as pinch harmonics.

In short, The thinner version that I tried (the KILLER looking V shaped pick with the cross on the front)
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had a bit sharper edge and wore a bit quicker and didn't seem to traverse or pinch as well as the octavious. Your mileage may vary of course, but it seems that the thinner the edge, the quicker the wear.

For a custom built pick like this, made of exotic (for a pick) material, I've had to let go of my previous conception of what sort of picks I like. (1.5, acetyl plastic, sharp as a needle) as I'm starting to figure out those specs were due partially to the material.

For this material, it seems that thicker is better. I thought it would feel odd, but it felt perfect after about 15 minutes. Now it's the only pick I'm using. I may go back to my VPICKS and CLAYTONS, but for now, I can't put the Octavious down smile.gif


Todd


Hell man, I loved that thin version most out of all the picks VH sent - that's the one for me! It went spot on in about 10-15 minutes as in your case with the Octavious - I played Pantera riffs and solos with it and it felt awesome!


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post Jul 12 2013, 04:33 PM
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I've got some new alloys which should be a bit harder than what I was using, and I'm gonna try to get a few made up this weekend for testing. smile.gif It's 2024, and 7075 aircraft aluminum.


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To each his own as they say smile.gif I think you may be in luck as VON is experimenting with different metals so that the thin picks might be stronger and not wear. I like my plastic picks about 1.5 but this monster Octavious with the doughnut hole has made me rethink my entire picking technique.

I notice that with the weight of the pick, my hand actually works less and I can play longer without fatique. The density/weight of the pick is such that you barely need to strike with the tip and weight does most of work your hand was doing before but your still in control of it. Assuming of course, ones hands are able to control a monster pick of course. But again, different strokes for different folks!!

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Hell man, I loved that thin version most out of all the picks VH sent - that's the one for me! It went spot on in about 10-15 minutes as in your case with the Octavious - I played Pantera riffs and solos with it and it felt awesome!



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 12 2013, 08:46 PM) *
To each his own as they say smile.gif I think you may be in luck as VON is experimenting with different metals so that the thin picks might be stronger and not wear. I like my plastic picks about 1.5 but this monster Octavious with the doughnut hole has made me rethink my entire picking technique.

I notice that with the weight of the pick, my hand actually works less and I can play longer without fatique. The density/weight of the pick is such that you barely need to strike with the tip and weight does most of work your hand was doing before but your still in control of it. Assuming of course, ones hands are able to control a monster pick of course. But again, different strokes for different folks!!

Todd


Very good point, man! I am waiting for the results with the new alloys biggrin.gif It's like with the swords - some people can't perform well with mine simply because it's heavier - but for my weight, tallness and strength, it feels just right!


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post Jul 15 2013, 02:19 AM
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I made a thin pick out of a new alloy this weekend (7075) and after 4 hours of Todd's weekend shred fest vchats. I am unable to see any noticable wear. It looked like it did when I got done making it. I also did not notice any string wear. It played just as smooth, and maybe it was in my head but I think it sounded even better. Maybe not better but just as good in the good ways and not as bad in the bad ways, if that makes sense. I also have another alloy (2024) to try also but I can't imagine it being better, but it is next. So stay tuned for some pics!

Oh and since is wears less, less wear should mean less pick dust, which means less silver fingers!!!!!

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Silver Fingers sounds like a pirate name or so tongue.gif Kidding aside, I am happy to hear that the new experiments are paying off smile.gif


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post Jul 17 2013, 06:54 AM
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Wow, this looks really cool. I'm a big fan of Jazz III's myself, I just like the thickness and size of it.


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