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post Jun 18 2013, 01:25 AM
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so I recently got an SM 57 to record my peavey 6505+. I'm extremely new to recording with mics etc. I have a line6 GX which doesn't have a xlr input so I bought an adaptor which connects my sm57 to the GX. I'm having one small problem, when I record it sounds soft(volume wise). I also don't know how to set it up to where I can hear my guitar though my headphones which is annoying for me, i can hear the track just not the actual guitar coming through the mic. I'm using reaper and would really love if someone could help me with this. Last question is how loud should the amp itself be? this amp is super loud, but im not sure on what's enough to record. thanks guys.


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post Jun 18 2013, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE (enlo22 @ Jun 18 2013, 01:25 AM) *
so I recently got an SM 57 to record my peavey 6505+. I'm extremely new to recording with mics etc. I have a line6 GX which doesn't have a xlr input so I bought an adaptor which connects my sm57 to the GX. I'm having one small problem, when I record it sounds soft(volume wise). I also don't know how to set it up to where I can hear my guitar though my headphones which is annoying for me, i can hear the track just not the actual guitar coming through the mic. I'm using reaper and would really love if someone could help me with this. Last question is how loud should the amp itself be? this amp is super loud, but im not sure on what's enough to record. thanks guys.

well, to get that amp to the level you need to for it to sound its best , you probably won't hear it through you phones.You need a attenuator or if that amp has a 50/100 watt split, and you might need to put it in a different room.As far as the signal strength you might need to check out a d/i box with the ability to increase the power(battery powered)from the mic and you can use the box to go to 1/4 inch
p.s. those small adapters loose alot of power you might just try a normal d/i box and put the amp in another room

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post Jun 18 2013, 03:25 AM
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QUOTE (enlo22 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:25 AM) *
so I recently got an SM 57 to record my peavey 6505+. I'm extremely new to recording with mics etc. I have a line6 GX which doesn't have a xlr input so I bought an adaptor which connects my sm57 to the GX. I'm having one small problem, when I record it sounds soft(volume wise). I also don't know how to set it up to where I can hear my guitar though my headphones which is annoying for me, i can hear the track just not the actual guitar coming through the mic. I'm using reaper and would really love if someone could help me with this. Last question is how loud should the amp itself be? this amp is super loud, but im not sure on what's enough to record. thanks guys.

Do you have a mixer for your line 6 that you can open on your screen to check the levels as your playing? On audio interfaces with Xlr inputs your able to control the level of the mic and get the volume at the right levels no matter how loud your amp is. But since you don't have that it sound like your going to have to control the level by using your amps volume itself. You wanna make sure its loud enough to pick up a signal but not so loud it clips. I'd think that since you are using adapter, that the adapter plugs into the guitar input? Do you have a way to control the level when your guitar goes in, I'd assume you would control the mic the same way. You can crank your amp as loud as you want as long as you can control the mic. In fact I think the louder the better to push your amp into its sweet spot.
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post Jun 19 2013, 01:15 AM
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Did you remember to click the monitoring button on the guitar track? This is a common bit of snag new users run in to. Without the track armed and set to monitor, you won't hear it. sad.gif

I did a search on youtube for ya and found a spiff training vid that will show you the basics. Without reading any of the documentation and such, it can be frustrating to wing it if your new to daws. sad.gif The good news is there's youtube!


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so I recently got an SM 57 to record my peavey 6505+. I'm extremely new to recording with mics etc. I have a line6 GX which doesn't have a xlr input so I bought an adaptor which connects my sm57 to the GX. I'm having one small problem, when I record it sounds soft(volume wise). I also don't know how to set it up to where I can hear my guitar though my headphones which is annoying for me, i can hear the track just not the actual guitar coming through the mic. I'm using reaper and would really love if someone could help me with this. Last question is how loud should the amp itself be? this amp is super loud, but im not sure on what's enough to record. thanks guys.


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post Jun 19 2013, 09:05 AM
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I would consider buying some...even cheap audio interface other than GX for better mic performance. Mainly for more precise adjustment and less noise. I tried some GX'es...also own one for some time and IMHO it wasn't enough transparentwhen trying to record pure/dry signals.


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post Jun 19 2013, 10:09 PM
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Generally to record valve amps, they should be as loud as you can possibly have them. However you can get round this by using a dummy load box or attenuator, look them up!


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post Jun 20 2013, 12:39 AM
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I don't want to discourage you here, the GX is a great place to start with home recording!!! But once you start to outgrow it, you may want to look at an interface with a nice built in mic preamp like maybe the presonnus stuff, (not expensive for the quality)or something similar. You have a really nice amp head and it will sound really good through a good cab and a good interface.


The sad fact is that that head is such a beast, it sounds beast at volumes that would attract the police and scare your pets. You can get a "power soak/attenuator" to drive the amp at lower volumes, or use an overdrive pedal in front of the input to drive it at lower volumes (though this does color the tone). To be honest, it's a tad to beastly for most home recording IMHO, and is best suited for LIVE work.

You may want to skip the head while you learn software and just use a plugin like amplitude. Capturing the full glory of that amp requires more volume than most home situations allow sad.gif

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I would consider buying some...even cheap audio interface other than GX for better mic performance. Mainly for more precise adjustment and less noise. I tried some GX'es...also own one for some time and IMHO it wasn't enough transparentwhen trying to record pure/dry signals.



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post Jun 20 2013, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 19 2013, 11:39 PM) *
I don't want to discourage you here, the GX is a great place to start with home recording!!! But once you start to outgrow it, you may want to look at an interface with a nice built in mic preamp like maybe the presonnus stuff, (not expensive for the quality)or something similar. You have a really nice amp head and it will sound really good through a good cab and a good interface.


The sad fact is that that head is such a beast, it sounds beast at volumes that would attract the police and scare your pets. You can get a "power soak/attenuator" to drive the amp at lower volumes, or use an overdrive pedal in front of the input to drive it at lower volumes (though this does color the tone). To be honest, it's a tad to beastly for most home recording IMHO, and is best suited for LIVE work.

You may want to skip the head while you learn software and just use a plugin like amplitude. Capturing the full glory of that amp requires more volume than most home situations allow sad.gif

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yeah man totally understand, I outgrew it. at first it was awesome for the vsts etc because it was the first time doing recordings so it was exciting. I was thinking maybe an M-audio fast track or something? do you have any idea on those? i'm going to sell my gx then use the money for another one that would work better. As for volume, i put it on 3 and it was sooooo loud haha, i also have to find a way to kill the feedback, and i can play when the neighbors are out!haha but i def agree for having a good amp head might as well record it with a decent interface.

QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jun 19 2013, 08:05 AM) *
I would consider buying some...even cheap audio interface other than GX for better mic performance. Mainly for more precise adjustment and less noise. I tried some GX'es...also own one for some time and IMHO it wasn't enough transparentwhen trying to record pure/dry signals.



which one would you recommend man, i'm deff thinking about doing so once i can get money.


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post Jun 21 2013, 02:50 AM
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The M audio would be a good place to start smile.gif What is your budget?


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post Jun 23 2013, 01:11 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 21 2013, 01:50 AM) *
The M audio would be a good place to start smile.gif What is your budget?


not sure yet haha not a tonnn but i'm selling the gx first lol I actually opened podfarm and used it to boost the volume of the input.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0NIeOoiBI I wish i could get a killer tone close to this but it seems impossible for me!!!


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post Jun 23 2013, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (enlo22 @ Jun 22 2013, 08:11 PM) *
not sure yet haha not a tonnn but i'm selling the gx first lol I actually opened podfarm and used it to boost the volume of the input.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0NIeOoiBI I wish i could get a killer tone close to this but it seems impossible for me!!!


The only problem with that video is the guitarist. Ola can take anything and get a killer tone. Line 6 Spider , Peavey Vypyr, and even an iPod app and still get a killer tone. Just shows you don't need high end gear if you know how to record properly and eq/mix it.

Edit: But also remember the amp doesn't sound the same in the room. I had a Mesa Triple Rectifier because they sound great on a cd, needless to say you have to get your mic in the correct spot, the distance for the air, and so much more to get a tone like they use. Then you need to play around with the EQ and then to set it in the mix. Sounded great but for the bedroom player I am, way too much work.

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post Jun 23 2013, 09:55 PM
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https://soundcloud.com/enlo22/test-track this is a test one any suggestions on improving the tones etc?

QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Jun 23 2013, 07:23 PM) *
The only problem with that video is the guitarist. Ola can take anything and get a killer tone. Line 6 Spider , Peavey Vypyr, and even an iPod app and still get a killer tone. Just shows you don't need high end gear if you know how to record properly and eq/mix it.

Edit: But also remember the amp doesn't sound the same in the room. I had a Mesa Triple Rectifier because they sound great on a cd, needless to say you have to get your mic in the correct spot, the distance for the air, and so much more to get a tone like they use. Then you need to play around with the EQ and then to set it in the mix. Sounded great but for the bedroom player I am, way too much work.


haha totally agreed man, he can make anything sound good


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