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post Jul 21 2013, 10:41 AM
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Hi -

Bought myself a '52 Vintage re-issue Fender Tele for a my birthday a couple of weeks ago. Great guitar and great tones.

Now though, I've just broken my 5th high E-string in those couple of weeks. I know what you're thinking - "It's the bridge angle" - but no. All of these breaks have been at the 5th - 8th frets when I've been pulling a full tone bend. 4 breaks have been on 10's and 1 on 9's. The 9's were Fender strings, the rest were Ernie Ball coated slinkys.

For the life of me I can't explain why I'm chewing through strings like a mofo. I've never experienced this issue with my LP Std.

I can't see anything sharp on the frets at all.

Any ideas? This is driving me nuts!

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post Jul 21 2013, 12:06 PM
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Do you stretch strings after installed? did you try nickel strings?

Its most probably got to do with tension, even the string tree if its a little too low can cause this. What about intonation did you check it?

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Bogdan Radovic
post Jul 21 2013, 01:18 PM
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These can be tough to diagnose. But 5 breaks in 2 weeks doesn't sound normal unless all the strings are from same "old" set? The string doesn't break near the bridge but around 5th fret, right?


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post Jul 21 2013, 01:43 PM
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You could try taking the B string off and stringing an E string in its slot. That would tell you whether it's the thickness of the E string or E string slot that's breaking the strings. Just an idea smile.gif


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post Jul 21 2013, 01:47 PM
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Yeah - this is weird indeed. I bought a 10 pack of Ernie Ball coated 10's about four months ago. I'm using these on the LP without any drama, but it's 4 of these high E's that have broken on the Tele. The other break was from a new set I got the store to put on the guitar when I bought it - no idea how long it had been on the shelf.

All the breaks have happened when I'm playing a full tone bend on either the 5th, 7th or 8th frets on the high E. The bridge or nut I'd understand, but in the middle of the string is just really weird and I don't know what's going on...

Will check out the thing about the string tree height I guess????????

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post Jul 21 2013, 02:10 PM
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On my old guitar, a store tech setted the neck angle (not truss-rod, from where the neck is bolted to the body) way back than it should be, resulting the bridge to be higher.

Guitars can manage a certain +/- angle of the neck without buzzing (since the bridge can be hightened when needed) but this results to a slightly longer scale...I remember the stiffness of the strings were extremely noticable.

If needed, I advise such setting made by a tech nice thats a pretty nice guitar. It might take 2-3 trials if you haven't done that before.


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post Jul 21 2013, 08:21 PM
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+1 to what Mertay said. Also, when restringing, any twists in the string may weaken them considerably at the middle of the string (near 12th fret) rather than the nut or the bridge, so make sure when you turn the string, rotate it whole, not twist it.

Strangely enough, I never broke a single high E string, I broke G strings the most and then D strings. Hope you fix it soon! smile.gif


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post Jul 21 2013, 09:18 PM
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When I had a similar problems Only sure thing is that the internet never helped me. Sometimes the reason for this is something not so obvious and what could be detected very quickly by a specialist who can grab Your guitar personally...

I'm also a guitar tech and what I can tell is pretty funny. Many problems people describe for about 30 minutes through telephone seems to be clear in 5 minutes if they come to my service. Only good advice I could give You is to save yourself some time and needless nerves...just go to the professional guitar tech.


One more thing...when string is tensed and it breaks...there is no objective way to judge the place in breaks...after it's broken so It might not be the frets.

I made a "science , laboratory rabbit" out of my cheap squier. I made a ceramic savers in the bridge plate strings slot...didn't help. I changed the neck angle, saddles height, neck angle (as mertay said - not the trus rodd adjustment) many times...still didn't help. I changed the saddles for a new ones ...still didn't help. I've perfectly rounded and polished the fret crowns....still nothing. Finally I've changed the saddles for the graph-tech and....THE PROBLEM IS GONE


I use graph-tech saddles and nuts in some of my guitars. It really work. I think only the matter or private tone preferences are the reason for some people still using the metal ones (they sound brighter).


Also there is this "magic factor" in the strings breaking issue - one guitar does it...other do not...and it even doesn't matter that both of mentioned could be made exaclty the same, with the same strings resting points materials smile.gif

It's a tricky issue smile.gif

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post Jul 21 2013, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jul 21 2013, 08:18 PM) *
When I had a similar problems Only sure thing is that the internet never helped me. Sometimes the reason for this is something not so obvious and what could be detected very quickly by a specialist who can grab Your guitar personally...

I'm also a guitar tech and what I can tell is pretty funny. Many problems people describe for about 30 minutes through telephone seems to be clear in 5 minutes if they come to my service. Only good advice I could give You is to save yourself some time and needless nerves...just go to the professional guitar tech.


One more thing...when string is tensed and it breaks...there is no objective way to judge the place in breaks...after it's broken so It might not be the frets.

I made a "science , laboratory rabbit" out of my cheap squier. I made a ceramic savers in the bridge plate strings slot...didn't help. I changed the neck angle, saddles height, neck angle (as mertay said - not the trus rodd adjustment) many times...still didn't help. I changed the saddles for a new ones ...still didn't help. I've perfectly rounded and polished the fret crowns....still nothing. Finally I've changed the saddles for the graph-tech and....THE PROBLEM IS GONE


I use graph-tech saddles and nuts in some of my guitars. It really work. I think only the matter or private tone preferences are the reason for some people still using the metal ones (they sound brighter).


Also there is this "magic factor" in the strings breaking issue - one guitar does it...other do not...and it even doesn't matter that both of mentioned could be made exaclty the same, with the same strings resting points materials smile.gif

It's a tricky issue smile.gif


How do I give you points? This was the best response I have ever heard for troubleshooting problems.
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post Jul 21 2013, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (korblitz @ Jul 21 2013, 08:55 PM) *
How do I give you points? This was the best response I have ever heard for troubleshooting problems.



Come to Poland and buy me a beer biggrin.gif Ok...just come to Poland and I'll buy You a beer...that would more expensive to You though smile.gif Thankx man!


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post Jul 21 2013, 10:19 PM
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Thanks guys smile.gif Off to the doctors it is then!

I appreciate all the advice - and Darius, I'll have to email you that beer...

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post Jul 22 2013, 04:18 AM
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That must be annoying as hell. If I were to take a guess i would think it would have something to do with tension. I'm sure I good set up will correct it.
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post Aug 5 2013, 01:14 AM
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A non-solution would be to try a GHS cryogenic string. I bend all day long and have winced at times, when I have gone through a breaking string period. It is very, very difficult to break a cryo string, in my experience. Again, this is not a solution, as the cause needs to be determined. But at least it will keep you from wincing.
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post Aug 5 2013, 09:06 AM
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Thanks for sharing another tip Larry. I'm sure it's worth trying smile.gif


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post Aug 5 2013, 10:27 PM
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I haven't broken a string in over ten years. If one string is constantly snapping it could a problem with the guitar - a sharp bit on the nut or saddle that is causing it to fray?


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post Aug 6 2013, 01:31 PM
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That only happened to me with my 69 reissue Tele. I believe it was a sharp edge on the bridge.


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post Aug 6 2013, 02:50 PM
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments - I really appreciate it!

Three weeks later and I haven't broken any more strings. I'm hoping it's sorting itself out - either that or my playing is getting better smile.gif

I think the issue is a slightly, slightly, slightly raised 8th fret. I was playing one of the GMC lessons that had a series of bends on the high E-string and managed to rape some holes into my calluses. On one take, I'd played the bend on the 8th fret and went to move to the 7th and my hand didn't budge! A flappy bit of skin on my finger had got stuck under the fret!

This has got to be the cause.

I will get it fixed properly in time, but for the moment I guess there's a nice bit of my flesh filling up the hole so I can't even see the gap with a magnifying glass and I can't deliberately make the string grab in that spot anymore smile.gif

I know it's not a proper fix, but what the hell - having too much fun with this guitar to have it back at the retailer for 2 weeks now.

So, I'm calling it "fixed" smile.gif

Cheers!

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