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post Jul 23 2013, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 23 2013, 08:58 AM) *
Indie van tours selling merch all summer and a bunch of weekend gigs throughout the year you can potentially make enough to live cheap w/o a day job.

We did this back in the late 80's, constantly Toured the UK (and a few european) playing Gigs and Festivals for 18 months. We were always about being a 'live' Band, we weren't into sitting in the Studio writing all the time. After that I did some other touring as a Guitar Tech.
As you all know, I still do some Tech work and Repairs but not enough to make a living so I have to work a day job too.
If someone offered me to go back out on the road as a Tech I'd jump at it!!!
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post Jul 23 2013, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jul 23 2013, 09:54 AM) *
Monica You've just mentioned some new social desease - people are getting Used to get entertainment for free...They feel offended when they have to pay for a gig... nothing weird when There are many festival where You can here huuuge starts for free

This could be the main reason...



yes, this is true. There is a new modality being used to solve this problem that is getting sponsors for their. This makes that people can go free and sponsors pays the musician and overall event for the promotion.


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post Jul 23 2013, 06:23 PM
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It is just a hobby for me and it will always be this way smile.gif
I like my everyday job, and it pays the bills...and if it stresses me out, I just grab my guitar in the evening and am fine again biggrin.gif


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post Jul 23 2013, 06:38 PM
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Hi!

For me it is just a hobby. We meet us once a week and try to play a gig once a month.

QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jul 23 2013, 12:22 PM) *
One example that I don’t like at all and that happens in my country, there are some newly appeared festivals that can’t play enough good bands because some unknown bands are agree to play for free. And this is not ok. Because of this a lot of very good musicians prefer to be teachers and gives up his play live.

Few years ago I discussed this thema with my guitar teacher and I´ve said, that I dont understand bands who play for free.
But now I also play for nothing sad.gif The only money we´ve got was from the tickets WE sold.
But if we say no, we dont play for free, then another band will do this.

Our actual goal for the future is, that we will get enough money to pay the rent of the rehearsal room biggrin.gif

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post Jul 23 2013, 06:53 PM
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it is my meditation,my escape,my personal quest, my choice, my relaxation....getting paid would ruin that


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post Jul 23 2013, 10:53 PM
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it's my career/job. I teach guitar to 72 students every week and play gigs every weekend. As much as I'd like to be playing in a metal band it's only a cover band that does corporate gigs and some pub gigs. I keep myself sane by recording metal riffs that I write and by learning lessons here. It beats concreting.

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post Jul 24 2013, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE (Frankster @ Jul 23 2013, 05:38 PM) *
Hi!

For me it is just a hobby. We meet us once a week and try to play a gig once a month.


Few years ago I discussed this thema with my guitar teacher and I´ve said, that I dont understand bands who play for free.
But now I also play for nothing sad.gif The only money we´ve got was from the tickets WE sold.
But if we say no, we dont play for free, then another band will do this.

Our actual goal for the future is, that we will get enough money to pay the rent of the rehearsal room biggrin.gif



You have right and if you refuse to play for free another band will do this. Is not enough only some people to refuse to play for free. If all musicians will refuse to play for free then everybody will have money to pay the bills smile.gif
I can understand that for many bands at start it's a joy to play live and to benefit for any kind of promotion, but this should not became a habit.
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post Jul 24 2013, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jul 23 2013, 10:30 PM) *
You have right and if you refuse to play for free another band will do this. Is not enough only some people to refuse to play for free. If all musicians will refuse to play for free then everybody will have money to pay the bills smile.gif
I can understand that for many bands at start it's a joy to play live and to benefit for any kind of promotion, but this should not became a habit.

Sadly, all over the world, it's LONG past being a habit - it's the norm.
I truly hope the 'new modality' that Gab talks about takes hold.

*the arts in general have ceased to be valued by the majority of the worlds population. For many it's because of a lack of food, water and basic human rights. For others it's because an i-phone is the most important thing in their lives.

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post Jul 24 2013, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 24 2013, 03:53 AM) *
Sadly, all over the world, it's LONG past being a habit - it's the norm.
I truly hope the 'new modality' that Gab talks about takes hold.

*the arts in general have ceased to be valued by the majority of the worlds population. For many it's because of a lack of food, water and freedom. For others it's because an i-phone is the most important thing in their lives.



We should put this in practice! and I think that this is something that can be done at every level (from amateur band to professional bands). Brands make whatever to get promotion and sponsoring shows is something that they are usually interested.


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post Jul 24 2013, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 24 2013, 07:53 AM) *
Sadly, all over the world, it's LONG past being a habit - it's the norm.
I truly hope the 'new modality' that Gab talks about takes hold.

*the arts in general have ceased to be valued by the majority of the worlds population. ...


Sadly it's been true for decades, hence the whole Frankfurt School's bit about the role of art in the age of mechanical reproduction. Whilst lots argue they are 'artists' and/or respect and value 'art' they still use kracked software, or illegally resample or don't credit the original material and so on...

Am I bitter? -Yes because just this year so far I've seen 7 specialist mastering studios, 8 mixing studio - including 3 multi rooms - and 14 recording studios close. All of them were engineers whom I've known for years and count as friends. Many now have huge personal debts and no jobs. They have all been replaced by what? Some kid with krackware in his/her bedroom. Look around the internet; it's awash with people claiming to be engineers who have no experience, no equipment, no studio and who only care about taking the money and running. The world turns more slowly and the shadows draw in.

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 24 2013, 09:37 AM) *
Sadly it's been true for decades, hence the whole Frankfurt School's bit about the role of art in the age of mechanical reproduction. Whilst lots argue they are 'artists' and/or respect and value 'art' they still use kracked software, or illegally resample or don't credit the original material and so on...just this year so far I've seen 7 specialist mastering studios, 8 mixing studio - including 3 multi rooms - and 14 recording studios close. All of them were engineers whom I've known for years and count as friends. Many now have huge personal debts and no jobs. They have all been replaced by what? Some kid with krackware in his/her bedroom. Look around the internet; it's awash with people claiming to be engineers who have no experience, no equipment, no studio and who only care about taking the money and running. The world turns more slowly and the shadows draw in.

Wow. Dark. I like it.


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post Jul 25 2013, 01:18 PM
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post Jul 25 2013, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 24 2013, 01:37 PM) *
Sadly it's been true for decades, hence the whole Frankfurt School's bit about the role of art in the age of mechanical reproduction. Whilst lots argue they are 'artists' and/or respect and value 'art' they still use kracked software, or illegally resample or don't credit the original material and so on...

Am I bitter? -Yes because just this year so far I've seen 7 specialist mastering studios, 8 mixing studio - including 3 multi rooms - and 14 recording studios close. All of them were engineers whom I've known for years and count as friends. Many now have huge personal debts and no jobs. They have all been replaced by what? Some kid with krackware in his/her bedroom. Look around the internet; it's awash with people claiming to be engineers who have no experience, no equipment, no studio and who only care about taking the money and running. The world turns more slowly and the shadows draw in.


Sad but true. While everybody talks about the advantages of being able to record and album in your bedroom and promote your music freely using internet, you pointed out the bad side of this story. sad.gif


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post Jul 26 2013, 03:26 AM
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The writing is on the wall to be sure. It's pretty clear that adapt or die is more prevalent than it has been for quite some time. As costs continue to drop for folks who use cheap hardware/software, e.g a laptop with kracked plugins and headphones, it's going to be hard for traditional facilities to compete. As you mentioned, they are dropping like flies right and left. Right or wrong, this trend is accelerating. So the shops that manage to live through it will have to find ways to adapt and find new revenue streams, reduce costs, etc.

I've noticed one facility near me that has managed to keep above water by combining home/facility. The place where I recorded the GNOSTIC demo, and where MASTADON recorded their breakthrough demo is a studio with 2 small recording rooms and a mix room built in to the basement of this guys house. It's called ledbelly studios.

http://www.ledbellysound.com/page10.html

Just keeping the lights on in a stand alone facility is nearly enough to drown most studios under the weight of daily costs.

The quality of ones work is always important, but as many starting bands with limited funds will tell ya, cheap usually wins. If a email mastering service sends back a result better sounding than the source, many customers will be happy and run with it. Despite the fact that it's nowhere near actually mastered, nowhere near book, etc.

So the lower any facility can get their costs, by any means, (space sharing/time share/rental etc.) the better they will be able to compete as the lower of FREEE continues to encroach.

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Sadly it's been true for decades, hence the whole Frankfurt School's bit about the role of art in the age of mechanical reproduction. Whilst lots argue they are 'artists' and/or respect and value 'art' they still use kracked software, or illegally resample or don't credit the original material and so on...

Am I bitter? -Yes because just this year so far I've seen 7 specialist mastering studios, 8 mixing studio - including 3 multi rooms - and 14 recording studios close. All of them were engineers whom I've known for years and count as friends. Many now have huge personal debts and no jobs. They have all been replaced by what? Some kid with krackware in his/her bedroom. Look around the internet; it's awash with people claiming to be engineers who have no experience, no equipment, no studio and who only care about taking the money and running. The world turns more slowly and the shadows draw in.


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post Jul 26 2013, 12:19 PM
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Tonymiro - very good point, which I agree with, but just would like to add my two cents.

I think many of serious bands still go to professional sound engeneers. The difference is...some young people can do half-descent quality records at home while they can't afford the studio anyway.

I can also give some other bad example about young bands in studio. They collect very small amount of money. They ain't produce a descent sound from their regular gear, hands and are not able to borrow some descent stuff. Now...they make record that doesn't sound anyway...partly because they didn't even afford to pay the engeneer to correct most of their "lack of expirience and skills" while doing the mix. After 30 minutes of mixing they say "Ok, give it the way it is, We can afford more studio time". But...now goes the worst part...they say YOUR STUDIO SUCKS and play their records to other friends who will not come to Your studio, because of the quality they hear.

From my expirience many young people think that "going to a professional studio" is like a 100% guarantee that their audio recordings will sound descent...while their forget that at least 80% of the record is how the band sound itself.

You can disagree to let that kind of bands record at Your studio but the final result will be the same - less recording sessions.

This is what was happening to one of our local studios. I go there to record and take the raw tracks. I have a respect and a huge distance to my own worspace acoustic conditions and recording gear but the mixing is just a matter of time and private preferences...this is why I like to do it myslef and...I'm also doing this for about 15 years now (I've been lucky o lot to have access to good gear). Of course...I will never compare myself to most of professional guys but I think at that point I can be quite confident about some things I do while mixing and some things I should still learn and trust more expirienced people.

I saw a lot of mentioned situations and I was defending the studio always saying.....It's not the studio who's Your enemy but the time, gear and skills. How do You think - Whatdid this change? Nothing....

...or maybe a few bands who still go there to record and are finally are enough expirienced to know how much can they get from themselfs and how much can help the good studio.

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