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dcz702
post Aug 9 2013, 12:32 AM
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after couple rec takes and hours of practicing and evaluating my recs, i sat down thought and listened real close , i agree 100% with the comments and cosmin you pointed out some things that im working on, very hard.
i have listened over and over to my takes and what i think is going on is im to concentrated on the technica side of getting through the peice and hitting notes at the right time, now ive tried a little to kick back and find the groove of the tune and try to follow the whole vibe and mood of the track, this is something i have problems with like you pointed out.
is this a common issue with new players, by trying to hard to get it right? i find when i kick back and relax things come together alot better
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post Aug 9 2013, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (dcz702 @ Aug 8 2013, 11:32 PM) *
after couple rec takes and hours of practicing and evaluating my recs, i sat down thought and listened real close , i agree 100% with the comments and cosmin you pointed out some things that im working on, very hard.
i have listened over and over to my takes and what i think is going on is im to concentrated on the technica side of getting through the peice and hitting notes at the right time, now ive tried a little to kick back and find the groove of the tune and try to follow the whole vibe and mood of the track, this is something i have problems with like you pointed out.
is this a common issue with new players, by trying to hard to get it right? i find when i kick back and relax things come together alot better



It's not an easy thing. It can only speak for myself but doing new things demands 200% playing ability so You could focus only on keeping the flow. It's like having the lesson done so well, that You could play it even woken up in the middle of the night. It's the moment when fingers memory only work on the guitar and You can fully concentrate on the groove and dynamics. To be honest I always had this issue and probably always will have. The difference is that the more You play the more shapes are familiar to You fingers and You don't have to focus on" how to play it anymore". You just listen and say"oh...I know this and this and this, so let's bring the pieces together and make some music".

I think this the basic idea of sentense " if You think You prcticed...go and practice...If You practice...go and practice some more" smile.gif))

From the other hand my friend has a cool quote " Don't practice too much because You will learn...only how to practice" smile.gif))

After having some lesson done...try to play it more - as long as You're not at the point Tou don't have to wonder about any single note (where to put the finger) than You'll be not able to have a full relax and concentration.


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post Aug 9 2013, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (dcz702 @ Aug 8 2013, 07:32 PM) *
after couple rec takes and hours of practicing and evaluating my recs, i sat down thought and listened real close , i agree 100% with the comments and cosmin you pointed out some things that im working on, very hard.
i have listened over and over to my takes and what i think is going on is im to concentrated on the technica side of getting through the peice and hitting notes at the right time, now ive tried a little to kick back and find the groove of the tune and try to follow the whole vibe and mood of the track, this is something i have problems with like you pointed out.
is this a common issue with new players, by trying to hard to get it right? i find when i kick back and relax things come together alot better


It doesn't have to be a new player. I think it has more to do with new material. Say I go and learn a new song, since I don't know it I will be sloppy. This could be due to not practicing it that much, somethings are easier like Darius said, the more shapes you're use to playing the easier it gets but you still need to string the notes together in a new pattern.

This is kind of how I feel about writing as well. I can't write well but I try to take a section play chords over it and see how it sounds then try and break the chords down into notes during that section the chord could be played. I feel this is because I don't know scales/theory all that well. So I tend to be way out of context with notes for a couple of tries but then it starts to click. Whether it is a technique such as alternate picking, chord playing, sweeping, or even song writing. In the end it all comes down to practice and knowing your instrument.

The biggest things I've heard in all my years of learning the guitar. Drum roll please! Practice it from every angle, forward, backwards, and upside down. If you are playing sloppy, slow it down. With slow speed, clean articulation, and accuracy, comes speed.


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post Aug 9 2013, 01:54 PM
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This is something that usually happens at first when we are learning something that is new and difficult for us. The first step is making it sound, playing the notes clear and at tempo. Then you have to give it the groove and the feeling that it needs to have life, to give it dynamics, vibrato, a groove that goes with the rhythm, etc. This "extra" is sometimes a 50% of the piece, you can play all the notes but if you don't give it the correct groove and feeling, it doesn't sound good.


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post Aug 9 2013, 02:45 PM
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Well said!! As I'm always banging on about, "Speed is a byproduct of precision". It's hard play with great articulation if you don't know the piece well. Also, it's difficult if you are rushing the piece. I'd suggest you practice beyond what is needed to play the bit so that you can focus on your musicianship and articulation when playing the bit and less on what note comes next. Once any lick/song is second nature, you dig in to the groove and replace effort with creativity smile.gif

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QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Aug 9 2013, 07:44 AM) *
It doesn't have to be a new player. I think it has more to do with new material. Say I go and learn a new song, since I don't know it I will be sloppy. This could be due to not practicing it that much, somethings are easier like Darius said, the more shapes you're use to playing the easier it gets but you still need to string the notes together in a new pattern.

This is kind of how I feel about writing as well. I can't write well but I try to take a section play chords over it and see how it sounds then try and break the chords down into notes during that section the chord could be played. I feel this is because I don't know scales/theory all that well. So I tend to be way out of context with notes for a couple of tries but then it starts to click. Whether it is a technique such as alternate picking, chord playing, sweeping, or even song writing. In the end it all comes down to practice and knowing your instrument.

The biggest things I've heard in all my years of learning the guitar. Drum roll please! Practice it from every angle, forward, backwards, and upside down. If you are playing sloppy, slow it down. With slow speed, clean articulation, and accuracy, comes speed.



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post Aug 10 2013, 12:38 AM
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Just a free thought...


You know Dave...to be honest...Sometimes I work 30 minutes on 3 notes while recording just to make 100% sure thay sound the way a feel while playing. Sometimes we feel some emotions while playing, that are not transleted truly at the listener side. It like You feel tons of energy while playing the phrase but You can't feel this while listening to a done record. I think a good idea would be to start a detailed analysis of those longer, suspended notes. Usually there is a problem with "overreacting" - doing to fast and too deep vibrato etc. I would start from that point


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post Aug 10 2013, 11:06 AM
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I am glad you are taking the time to work on this matter smile.gif

Indeed, playing with groove, feeling and articulation is something that is built in time - my suggestion is not to become frustrated by the fact that it will not happen over night. Each of us is different, so the learning curve is different and some of us are more inclined toward being more lyric as human beings, so articulation will most likely be an easier matter for them, while others might seem more difficult and so on.

Bend, vibrate and slow things down until you feel comfy with each and every note - it's a lengthy process so, take the time smile.gif i'd be glad to help out so write me if you want to develop the ideas wink.gif


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