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Caelumamittendum
post Sep 5 2013, 01:54 PM
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Is there a new "single" culture at the moment? If so I haven't really noticed as such. I still buy full albums, but I can see the lure in buying singles and releasing singles as a teaser for your album, plus potentially having one or two "special" songs on there. A b-side.


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post Sep 5 2013, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Sep 5 2013, 09:54 AM) *
Is there a new "single" culture at the moment? If so I haven't really noticed as such. I still buy full albums, but I can see the lure in buying singles and releasing singles as a teaser for your album, plus potentially having one or two "special" songs on there. A b-side.



yeah, singles worked in this way even in the 60's and 70's, as a teaser.


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post Sep 5 2013, 04:15 PM
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Not just as a 'teaser'. Singles sold HUGE up until about the mid 80s (CDs enter the market). Remember, 'singles' were the pop music record culture for the 50s and up through the mid 60s.

Rec cos would also release a 'new single' when they saw a hit record's sales slightly dip.
Possibly the best example is Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'.
Seven (7) singles were released. Oddly, the first single released was the duet w/Paul McCartney, 'the girl is mine'. It did Ok but not great. Epic records decided to immediately pick another - Beat It, then Billie Jean, etc. ... and the rest is history. *I believe it's the best selling record in history.

Is there a culture now of 'singles'? I'm not sure if kids under 24 even know there's such thing as an album, unless they're musos.
It's kinda come full circle. Maybe that foretells that some type of long play format will again re-emerge dominant - ?

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post Sep 6 2013, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 5 2013, 12:15 PM) *
Not just as a 'teaser'. Singles sold HUGE up until about the mid 80s (CDs enter the market). Remember, 'singles' were the pop music record culture for the 50s and up through the mid 60s.

Rec cos would also release a 'new single' when they saw a hit record's sales slightly dip.
Possibly the best example is Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'.
Seven (7) singles were released. Oddly, the first single released was the duet w/Paul McCartney, 'the girl is mine'. It did Ok but not great. Epic records decided to immediately pick another - Beat It, then Billie Jean, etc. ... and the rest is history. *I believe it's the best selling record in history.

Is there a culture now of 'singles'? I'm not sure if kids under 24 even know there's such thing as an album, unless they're musos.
It's kinda come full circle. Maybe that foretells that some type of long play format will again re-emerge dominant - ?



I didn't know that Jackson's story. So he edited 7 singles and then compiled all of them in an album. It really worked commercially and it didn't quit impact to the album which finally sold lots of copies.


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post Sep 6 2013, 03:55 PM
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Not exactly.
The album was all recorded at the same time prior to the singles' release dates. That is generally how they did it starting probably mid 60s when the 'long playing' format (and FM radio) came into vogue.
Prior to that, in the 50s and early 60s (Elvis, Beatles, etc.) they would record singles and then compile them later as an LP.

*Singles also had a 'B' side that was generally not on the LP ... which, if you really dug the 'B' sides you had to buy both the LP and the singles.
Famous 'B' sides: Revolution, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Strawberry Fields Forever, Suffragette City, Maggie May ...
When that happened, many times the rec cos would then scramble to put out a 'special edition' EP or 'Fan Club' only release or new LP release 6 months later re-packaged with the added 'B' sides (new photos, maybe a poster or other swag) etc.
If the band was a UK based group, then here in states, because we didn't release at the same time (until the later 60s) we would re-package the LP with the popular 'B' side or sides on the LP (usually with different art work too). Stones and Beatle records are famous for that - UK release or Yank release?

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 6 2013, 11:55 AM) *
Not exactly.
The album was all recorded at the same time prior to the singles' release dates. That is generally how they did it starting probably mid 60s when the 'long playing' format (and FM radio) came into vogue.
Prior to that, in the 50s and early 60s (Elvis, Beatles, etc.) they would record singles and then compile them later as an LP.

*Singles also had a 'B' side that was generally not on the LP ... which, if you really dug the 'B' sides you had to buy both the LP and the singles.
Famous 'B' sides: Revolution, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Strawberry Fields Forever, Suffragette City, Maggie May ...
When that happened, many times the rec cos would then scramble to put out a 'special edition' EP or 'Fan Club' only release or new LP release 6 months later re-packaged with the added 'B' sides (new photos, maybe a poster or other swag) etc.
If the band was a UK based group, then here in states, because we didn't release at the same time (until the later 60s) we would re-package the LP with the popular 'B' side or sides on the LP (usually with different art work too). Stones and Beatle records are famous for that - UK release or Yank release?



This made the "b sides" albums very popular in those years. I remember many Rolling Stones B sides that were really good. That's a good trick for making the fans buy both the album and the singles.


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 6 2013, 05:18 PM) *
This made the "b sides" albums very popular in those years. I remember many Rolling Stones B sides that were really good. That's a good trick for making the fans buy both the album and the singles.


So many things to learn from the big guys - I think it's far easier to sing/play than to sell and get out there with success, ain't it?


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post Sep 7 2013, 03:28 PM
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Sometimes the 'B' side was an instrumental version of the same song.
Sometimes it was a different artist on the same label. This is actually becoming popular again - the shared single and shared EP. Pressed on vinyl of all things.


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post Sep 7 2013, 04:31 PM
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Once again we hit the wall with two different points of view. I was always used to know singles as a demo song of next albums. As far as I remember when I was a kind (90's) most of singles where just a shorten, radio versions of particular album track. Now...now my private opinion is that it could be a remix, unplugged or rearranged version...but then comes a problem...when people hear the single and buy the album which sounds completely different...then they might be dissappointed...


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