String Tension Math? (introduction Wanted), How high can you tune a string and what does that do?
 Sep 6 2013, 07:36 PM Post #1 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 435 Joined: 10-July 13 Member No.: 18.475 How high can you tune a 10 gague string and what does it do to the tension? Experts please discuss!I was wondering what is the range of "acceptable" tunings for a 10 to 54 set; or in my case 10-74(8 string). I've been messing with the idea of tuning in major 3rds(all the way) or perfect 5ths and just wondering in general how I should go about calculating the extra tension. I have no idea so far and an introductory answer would probably suffice, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate. Cheers. -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel"There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One
 Sep 6 2013, 09:06 PM Post #2 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun Member No.: 17.478 I found this on one website:Might help you work something out! --------------------
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 Sep 7 2013, 12:38 PM Post #4 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 435 Joined: 10-July 13 Member No.: 18.475 QUOTE (pdf64 @ Sep 6 2013, 09:42 PM) Awesome, thank you so much! -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel"There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One
 Sep 7 2013, 02:23 PM Post #5 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 836 Joined: 25-April 12 From: Franklin, New York Member No.: 15.741 Here is a cool online string gauge calculator, I use all the time. http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_guitar_string.htm . I used it to figure out what gauges would be good for a 6 string I have tuned in perfect fifths. It is a really cool tuning. I have it F,C,G,D,A,E. On a 6 string you are one half step shy of having the range of an 8 string. Doing on an 8 would be pretty crazy. This place makes a .005 A string for doing crazy stuff like that. http://garrygoodman.com/octave4plus.com.htm One thing to note on the calculator. Is your low F# would be a 1 octave and the high E would be a 4 octave. Just for reference. I didn't know this at first.Let us know how it goes. --------------------
 Sep 7 2013, 05:33 PM Post #6 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 5.598 Joined: 29-November 12 From: Poland Member No.: 17.069 QUOTE (verciazghra @ Sep 6 2013, 06:36 PM) How high can you tune a 10 gague string and what does it do to the tension? Experts please discuss!I was wondering what is the range of "acceptable" tunings for a 10 to 54 set; or in my case 10-74(8 string). I've been messing with the idea of tuning in major 3rds(all the way) or perfect 5ths and just wondering in general how I should go about calculating the extra tension. I have no idea so far and an introductory answer would probably suffice, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate. Cheers.I did the 5ths (like a violin) on my fretless. 6 string guitar ended with low F . I had to borrow one string from the bass - around 0.86 --------------------
 Sep 9 2013, 08:37 AM Post #7 GMC:er Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 17.464 Joined: 23-December 09 From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Member No.: 8.794 You can tune your string up until they snap, but as you get tighter, they will get a pinch more difficult to bend/legato/play. The 8 string (as you know) has way more string tension than a regular guitar due to the long scale length and to get around it, many players (like the guys in Meshuggah) tune down TWO ENTIRE STEPS! or more just to try to add some playability back in. I noticed that tuning the low F# to E reduced the string tension a bit but not a ton. I have not tuned down two steps yet as my five string bass won't tune that low and still work I"m going to have to either get a six string bass, or go digital and fake it with midi. Working this low presents its' own challenges to be sure ToddQUOTE (verciazghra @ Sep 6 2013, 02:36 PM) How high can you tune a 10 gague string and what does it do to the tension? Experts please discuss!I was wondering what is the range of "acceptable" tunings for a 10 to 54 set; or in my case 10-74(8 string). I've been messing with the idea of tuning in major 3rds(all the way) or perfect 5ths and just wondering in general how I should go about calculating the extra tension. I have no idea so far and an introductory answer would probably suffice, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate. Cheers. -------------------- NEW QUICK LICKS IN MY FORUM EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT!!!http://bit.ly/quicklickstoddsforumMY INSTRUCTOR FORUMMY SHRED JOURNEY (BOOTCAMP) LESSON NOTES/TABSMY INSTRUCTOR PROFILE @ GMC ME @ YOUTUBE.com ME @ Instagram.com ME @ TWITTER
 Sep 9 2013, 12:54 PM Post #8 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 5.598 Joined: 29-November 12 From: Poland Member No.: 17.069 QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 9 2013, 07:37 AM) You can tune your string up until they snap, but as you get tighter, they will get a pinch more difficult to bend/legato/play. The 8 string (as you know) has way more string tension than a regular guitar due to the long scale length and to get around it, many players (like the guys in Meshuggah) tune down TWO ENTIRE STEPS! or more just to try to add some playability back in. I noticed that tuning the low F# to E reduced the string tension a bit but not a ton. I have not tuned down two steps yet as my five string bass won't tune that low and still work I"m going to have to either get a six string bass, or go digital and fake it with midi. Working this low presents its' own challenges to be sure ToddHere's a very good point! I had same thoughts )) Going down with the guitar is not a hard task but what about the bass track? Sometimes You have to use octaver on the bass....damn --------------------

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