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Darius Wave
post Sep 15 2013, 02:46 PM
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Hello guys. Sometimes we have to play in the small clubs, being close to the guitar amp. No matter how good Your guitar shielding and pickups are seems like We can't win with the electro-magnetic field, generated from the amplifier transformer. Aside from some obvious things have anyone of You heard of any ultra advanced tips of how to handle this?

We using humbuckers mode the level of it is...let's say...acceptable in the whole mix but...when switching to single coil it's unusable :/ I know single coils are what they are but when increasing the distance the noise level get's low enough to handle it.


Have You ever heard of any unusuall methids other than:

1. Active pickups
2. Noisless single coils
3. Increasing the distance

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post Sep 15 2013, 08:32 PM
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Very interesting topic Darius - tell me, are you constantly modifying the distances between pickups and strings or getting as far as possible from the amp?


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post Sep 15 2013, 08:43 PM
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post Sep 15 2013, 08:44 PM
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I use one of these ...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Dec...CFQ9BQgodVAkAiQ
The best out there in a guitar pedal.

*Having said that there are some clubs I will not bring a single coil pkup guitar to.
I have also found that using a high quality power supply for your pedals definitely helps. Voodoo Labs PP2 and T-Rex 'fuel tanks' are really great.
Dunlop 'brick' and 1-Spot type pwr supplies are super convenient and inexpensive (I use 1-spots all the time) but they will amplify noise from the funky power inherent in clubs that don't have isolated power for the stage area.


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post Sep 15 2013, 10:21 PM
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Cosmin - nope I didn't meant any pickup height adjustments...I only mean the problem of being close to the amp and having 60 Hz (or 50Hz in Europe) hum interfering the pickup.


Ken - to make thinsg clear. I hava pass all the ground loops, power supply, chords, electric adventure. I'm 100% sure I did best all I could in case of those and guitar shielding.


Sometimes there trick Youll never guess and someone knows them...I was wondering if some of you might know any of those in this particular situation.


For now I have to keep the 90 degrees angle to the amp because this field is directional but I was hoping there is better solution.


My rig is currently 100% veryfied and when (like You sad) there is independent power line for the stage, then it's completely silent. But sometimes happens to have the amp too close and the field is too strong.

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post Sep 15 2013, 11:37 PM
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Been a loooong time since I've been on stage smile.gif what about shielded cables rather than classic ones?

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_p...k_Shielded.html


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post Sep 16 2013, 06:00 AM
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There are situations and settings where, with single coil pickups (or mismatched humbuckers), there will be noise - no matter how good your gear is. If the power is dirty at the venue (wherever that may be), there's nothing you can do. That's why I sometimes use a noise gate (ISP Decimator).

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post Sep 16 2013, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 16 2013, 05:00 AM) *
There are situations and settings where, with single coil pickups (or mismatched humbuckers), there will be noise - no matter how good your gear is. If the power is dirty at the venue (wherever that may be), there's nothing you can do. That's why I sometimes use a noise gate (ISP Decimator).


Hey Ken - do you have the pedal or the rack one? I am using the pedal and it is a great addition to my pedalboard. I found that for the gear that I have and in most of the situations, if I keep it somewhere at 10-11 o clock, it works super - the notes don't stop too abruptly and the noise canceling works as well.


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post Sep 16 2013, 12:00 PM
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I tried...I do have shielded Archer cable as a must-be part of my rig...but seems like no one has invented any solution for the particular transformer field vs pickups issue...damn...I would have to make myself an aluminim box and close in there for a gig time smile.gif


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post Sep 16 2013, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 15 2013, 11:34 PM) *
Hey Ken - do you have the pedal or the rack one? I am using the pedal and it is a great addition to my pedalboard. I found that for the gear that I have and in most of the situations, if I keep it somewhere at 10-11 o clock, it works super - the notes don't stop too abruptly and the noise canceling works as well.


The pedal, and I set it almost exactly as you do.


*The Illitch system (video above) is very good but in really noisy environments your single coils will still hum. The more gain you use the worse it is. It's a good re-design of what used to be called a 'dummy coil' (google dummy coil). It can be tuned for one's needs but at a certain point your tone will change.
You also have to rout your guitar for it and not have a reverse wound middle pickup (reverse wound middle pkup is the normal way a 3 single coil axe works). So you'd need a custom wound set of pkups or at least a custom wound middle pkup.

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post Sep 16 2013, 04:20 PM
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Good topic Darius. This is the reason why I don't use single coil for dirty sounds. I'm very curious to know if there are effective solutions to this issue. However I haven't seen many high gain guitarists using these type of pick ups live.


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I don't use high gain...rather crunch but it's enough to destroy my small club peace


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post Sep 17 2013, 08:34 AM
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How does Malmsteen do it? I guess that he uses rather high gain and he also plays in clubs and he plays single coils - Correct?


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post Sep 17 2013, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 17 2013, 07:34 AM) *
How does Malmsteen do it? I guess that he uses rather high gain and he also plays in clubs and he plays single coils - Correct?



Malmsteen uses his signature noiseless pickups. I have similar pickups in my start but it's a huge tone difference between vintage output "humming" traditional single coils. I got them exactly because of the issue I mentioned...but - My proportion of playing humbuckers / singles is like 80/20 % of time so I usually just split the coil. I had once a pair of old Lace Sensors...pretty nice pickups and those were made a bit differently - humbucker was just a 2 singles on one plate...both were noiseless.

This is probably the only possible solution I found yet.


To be honest I can't become the 100% humb type of guy either the Single-Coil-Dude. I love both - I miss the brightness and dynamics of Neck Single Coil while playing rhuthm or solos on the crunch tone. Noiseless have less crispness so...it's always something that's not like I want :/


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post Sep 17 2013, 09:09 AM
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Could be worse, you could have p90's!

I think a lot of guys who want to use their vintage style single coil pickups get very used to putting up with hum whilst playing and rolling volume down when not playing or switching to 2 or 4 position


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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Sep 17 2013, 07:48 AM) *
Malmsteen uses his signature noiseless pickups. I have similar pickups in my start but it's a huge tone difference between vintage output "humming" traditional single coils. I got them exactly because of the issue I mentioned...but - My proportion of playing humbuckers / singles is like 80/20 % of time so I usually just split the coil. I had once a pair of old Lace Sensors...pretty nice pickups and those were made a bit differently - humbucker was just a 2 singles on one plate...both were noiseless.

This is probably the only possible solution I found yet.


To be honest I can't become the 100% humb type of guy either the Single-Coil-Dude. I love both - I miss the brightness and dynamics of Neck Single Coil while playing rhuthm or solos on the crunch tone. Noiseless have less crispness so...it's always something that's not like I want :/


oooh - I see smile.gif I had no clue his pickups are noiseless, but the thing is that I am a humbucker guy as well, although I'd like to have a telecaster for instance, to get that 'twang' you know smile.gif


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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Sep 17 2013, 08:09 AM) *
Could be worse, you could have p90's!


Actually one can use 3 p90's to make them noiseless, 1 hidden inside guitar only to eliminate noise.

I sometimes read the seymour duncan blog. Not long ago someone posted there that modern noiseless singles are much better today, I didn't investigate but it was mentioned they are built different.

I only split my guitars neck humbucker when I need an acoustic guitar like sound (norton does this well with screw poles). Parallel might be not a bad idea but usually they don't bleed highs as much as singles though it might be worth to try something bright like "humbucker from hell" in parallel mode.

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|I just had modern STK-S4 Seymour Duncan set and Yeah...they are better but needs some compensation with treble eq to get close to the regular single tone. I've just replaced set of those with SSL-52 and it's way better. Thanx for some cool tips. I think I'll try to test the "hidden pickup" method.


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