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Jul 14 2007, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 14 2007, 04:48 PM)  Ok so Scale= Guideline to play within through improv. ? - John Yes, you can look at it that way though that is not all it is used for. Think of a scale as the artists palette of colours for a painting. What you make of it is up to you, but you choose the colors in the palette (or the scale) ahead of time. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 14 2007, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 14 2007, 06:00 PM) ok thank you, I just love theory so much right now. Should I but practicing all these minor scales and what not or some of the lessons here at Gmc ?  - John Both! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 15 2007, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 14 2007, 06:38 PM) ^ My Brain  What lessons would you recomend here Andrew that would correspond well with what im doing theory wise ? - John To go with the pentatonic and blues scales, I can suggest no finer lessons than Gabriels Blues series 
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. I kind of did things bass ackwards and had learned the Am pentatonic scale and boxes without really knowing the theory behind it or the actual notes I was playing....I know bad me, slap! Anyways now that I've recognized the error of my ways and have been trying to backtrack I sorta have myself all confused 
Not sure if i'm really understanding the concept behind how the boxes are derived....or if what I think is going on is actually right. I'll try my best to explain.
I probably should have just posted this as a question on the board instead of the lesson.
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Sep 6 2007, 01:43 AM
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Steve explained it well ...
What you are talking about with the formulae is essentially correct but may run you into difficulties later both when looking at modes, and also when looking at major scale boxes. The best way of looking at it is that the formula is always the same. But, different boxes start at different places in the formula. The root note of a box will always be the first note of the formula, no matter where you play it. This is essentially what you were saying but with a slightly different emphasis. In general, boxes are derived by picking a string (bottom E is good) and moving up one note in the scale for each box. This works fine for pentatonic, and you get 5 boxes. When you look at major and minor however, it gets a little wierd. You probably kow there are 5 boxes for major and minor - but this is a simplification, therer are really 7. Since we step through the scale when making boxes, though, a couple of boxes will be only 1 fret apart which is kind of overkill, so those 2 bopxes are dropped leaving 5 boxes that differe by 2 or 3 frets. Now, given that boxes are left out you can see why your approach might have been confusing when you went into major and minor. In that case, as always, you would figure out where in the box the root note was and always use your formula from that point. The way you discussed using the formula by the way looks very similar to how modes are derived. I know you didn;t mean it that way, which is why I think this might confuse things later on, so very firmly, always think of the formula as starting on the roiot note, then figure out which position within the formula your pattern starts. If you do this with pentatonic you will get the same result, but for the right reason this time .
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Sep 17 2007, 05:07 AM
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does it matter what fingerings one uses for the minor pentatonic boxes...for instance, box 3 of the minor pent scale...what fingering should i use...
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Sep 17 2007, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 17 2007, 12:27 AM) I'm not the expert but I've always done boxes starting with the index - it might feel awkward sometimes but you get used to it. Whateer works - I have tried both ways in the past and settled on sliding, and in fact sliding is more important for 3 notes per string scale which you might want to use later on, however, if it works and you are comfortble with it, stick with it! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Oct 9 2007, 07:31 PM
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Best way is to practice boxes while switching them on different spots or strings.
Starting from E string is fine but try from another strings as well, just to avoid common sounding of each box. -------------------- Youtube
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Oct 9 2007, 07:36 PM
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Regarding root notes, there is an explanation of this in my introduction to scales lesson here.
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