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post Oct 21 2013, 12:57 PM
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Its probably quite a common exercise but it was new to me. Im finding it almost impossible to get my 3rd finger moving independently of my pinkie. I can do it better on the descending part of the exercise for some reason but going up the strings is a nightmare! Im literally staring at my 3rd finger trying to will it to move!

is this a tough exercise or is it me?


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post Oct 21 2013, 01:27 PM
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Hey mate smile.gif It's only a matter of finger independence biggrin.gif Check this out, try it and in time, you'll manage to separate the third from the fourth. Out of what I know, they are anatomically linked, so they will always cause some fuss...





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post Oct 21 2013, 01:36 PM
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Yes - it is normal that you are having trouble when starting to do these exercises.

Please check out this finger independance lesson series on GMC focusing on this approach : https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/lessonser...r-Independence/

3rd finger is our weakest finger on the hand and as such tends to take power from "neighbouring" fingers. Over time, as you train it and gain more independant finger strength, you'll notice it is getting easier to "separate" individual finger movements from other fingers.


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post Oct 21 2013, 02:09 PM
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Never had any problems with these kinds of exercises. But I've seen many many people have problems with them. Maybe cause I play in classical position, dunno.


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post Oct 21 2013, 02:24 PM
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I have the same issue Bleez. My little finger and ring finger are virtually locked together in motion. I have actually done this drill you posted quite a bit over time and it has helped but I do need to focus in on some of these independence exercises like the ones posted by Cosmin and Bogdan.

Speed has always been an issue for me and one of the main culprits is the relationship between those two fingers.


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post Oct 21 2013, 02:27 PM
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Your not alone smile.gif I have similar connection between those two fingers but somehow I'm able to separate them while playing. Probably only a matter of practice smile.gif


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post Oct 21 2013, 02:43 PM
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Well, I can do it Ok. But this is really a great exercise. Thanks for sharing this vid wink.gif

An old teacher of mine showed this, it could be useful for you too.

Just keep all fingers on high e string and start doing hammer on and pull offs with finger 1 on b string. You have to keep all 3 fingers on e string. Then use finger 2, then 3 etc.



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post Oct 21 2013, 06:14 PM
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cool, Its encouraging to know that some of you guys have had to work on this area as well smile.gif I was a bit surprised at just how difficult I found it!
Thanks very much for the vids as well, awesome ideas which I'll definitely be using. I like those a lot because they feel like a better starting point for me, it seems I'll need to put in a bit of work before I can even practice the original exercise.



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post Oct 21 2013, 06:31 PM
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I wonder if Dr.Hotlicks has an exercise for getting into that sleeping bag on the wall behind him. laugh.gif

Joking aside...My wife is learning the Keyboard and has similar problems...I told her about these exercises.

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post Oct 21 2013, 06:54 PM
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I have classical guitar background and this chromatic exercise is one of the first things you learn to do while learning classical guitar. It is very useful and important I think..


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post Oct 21 2013, 07:17 PM
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I used to practice lots of chromatic exercises in my diary routines so I don't think that finger independence gives me too much trouble but I have never played that exercise in that way and I don't find it easy. I will definitely add it to my practice.

Here I recorded my favourite independence exercise:



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post Oct 21 2013, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (Headbanger @ Oct 21 2013, 06:31 PM) *
I wonder if Dr.Hotlicks has an exercise for getting into that sleeping bag on the wall behind him. laugh.gif

Im sure he does..... he is a doctor afterall, so im guessing he's quite a clever chap smile.gif

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 21 2013, 07:17 PM) *
I used to practice lots of chromatic exercises in my diary routines so I don't think that finger independence gives me too much trouble but I have never played that exercise in that way and I don't find it easy. I will definitely add it to my practice.

Here I recorded my favourite independence exercise:


thats quite a clever exercise, I like it. cheers for posting it dude.


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post Oct 21 2013, 10:32 PM
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Classical Guitar really helped me a TON with finger independence. There are so many etudes where you are playing a partial chord with several fingers moving one or two fingers to create a moving melody line. Part of why I am always suggesting folks get a classical guitar in addition to their acoustic and electric and learn just a few bits on Classical. smile.gif Not to mention the right hand picking work that is required which can also be applied in very interesting ways smile.gif

But you have to remember that especially here in the states, classical guitar as an instrument is a bit more rare IMHO than finding that someone has an electric and one acoustic. That's quite common. Less common is finding someone with electric, acoustic and nylon string classical. Also, finding instruction for classical is a pinch harder than finding instruction for electric, acoustic, even banjo. The first classical instructor I ever ran across wasn't until college! There was certainly no classical guitar instruction in high school or my local music stores.


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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Oct 21 2013, 09:09 AM) *
Never had any problems with these kinds of exercises. But I've seen many many people have problems with them. Maybe cause I play in classical position, dunno.


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post Oct 22 2013, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Oct 21 2013, 12:57 PM) *
Its probably quite a common exercise but it was new to me. Im finding it almost impossible to get my 3rd finger moving independently of my pinkie. I can do it better on the descending part of the exercise for some reason but going up the strings is a nightmare! Im literally staring at my 3rd finger trying to will it to move!

is this a tough exercise or is it me?

I really dont like exercises like this , I have found it trains many people to play four notes and when they skip strings there is a slight variation(pause) thus improperly training good alt. picking
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post Oct 22 2013, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 21 2013, 09:32 PM) *

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WHO HAS A NYLON STRING/CLASSICAL GUITAR?

WHO HAS HAD ANY CLASSICAL GUITAR PERSONAL INSTRUCTION?

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I borrowed a classical from a friend when I took a beginner course in college. The course helped me build some solid fundamentals. I don't have a classical/nylon around anymore but I will get one eventually. Really like classical etudes and would like to learn to play some on classical guitar.

As far as some of these finger training excersises I think are really good for building strength for finger indepenence. Perfect kind of practice while just watching some television. smile.gif I still play some of the Steve Vai training excersises which are similar to the video.


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post Oct 22 2013, 03:10 AM
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I would say go for it!! smile.gif I have owned a classical ever since I studied it for bit in college and I still like playing it. Also, you can use a pick with it to get a sort of jazz like vibe. Mine has a pickup/eq built in for recording which is handy. It's an old Yamaha unit. You can pick up a used classical with onboard preamp for a couple/few hundred bux smile.gif

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JSCRSN: Well, you can't make everybody happy all the time smile.gif But you do seem prone to be just a tad "mr. grumpy pants" sometimes? We won't make you do this particular finger drill smile.gif So you won't have to worry about "training yourself to have gaps" and such. But for other folks, I'd say sure smile.gif It will help your finger independence.

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I borrowed a classical from a friend when I took a beginner course in college. The course helped me build some solid fundamentals. I don't have a classical/nylon around anymore but I will get one eventually. Really like classical etudes and would like to learn to play some on classical guitar.

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As far as some of these finger training excersises I think are really good for building strength for finger indepenence. Perfect kind of practice while just watching some television. smile.gif I still play some of the Steve Vai training excersises which are similar to the video.



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post Oct 22 2013, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 22 2013, 03:10 AM) *
I would say go for it!! smile.gif I have owned a classical ever since I studied it for bit in college and I still like playing it. Also, you can use a pick with it to get a sort of jazz like vibe. Mine has a pickup/eq built in for recording which is handy. It's an old Yamaha unit. You can pick up a used classical with onboard preamp for a couple/few hundred bux smile.gif

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JSCRSN: Well, you can't make everybody happy all the time smile.gif But you do seem prone to be just a tad "mr. grumpy pants" sometimes? We won't make you do this particular finger drill smile.gif So you won't have to worry about "training yourself to have gaps" and such. But for other folks, I'd say sure smile.gif It will help your finger independence.

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post Oct 22 2013, 04:08 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 22 2013, 02:10 AM) *
I would say go for it!! smile.gif I have owned a classical ever since I studied it for bit in college and I still like playing it. Also, you can use a pick with it to get a sort of jazz like vibe. Mine has a pickup/eq built in for recording which is handy. It's an old Yamaha unit. You can pick up a used classical with onboard preamp for a couple/few hundred bux smile.gif

Todd


The classical I borrowed was actually a older Yamaha w/ pickup & eq and the one you have looks similar. smile.gif High quality guitar, great sound and played very comfotable! Probably exactly what I will go for.


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post Oct 22 2013, 08:12 AM
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All my classical trained friends have amazing finger independence - there's this guy that I play at Mozart Rocks! with - I've seen him play some very intricate chord shapes and solo in the same time on the classical guitar. Onstage he uses this sort of instrument: http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonsap.htm and it sounds heavenly!



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post Oct 22 2013, 03:05 PM
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I'm very glad that my father sent me to the music school. Those years of playing classic guitar gave me lot! Still own some classics smile.gif


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