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KenA
post Oct 29 2013, 09:30 PM
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Hi guys.

For a Workout Routine ( the gym part ), do you think it's better to extract the exercises from actual songs so I have a more musical sounding exercise or it's better to go neutral and find/build exercises with the specific goal of making your muscles to workout?

I'm sure the more advanced players have at least once thought about this dilemma and I would appreciate knowing what you guys think about this.


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post Oct 30 2013, 10:37 AM
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To be honest I always practice only those things that I actually need to use. I cought myself doing things that I never used in my playing and the ones I would need were not practiced enough so didn't sound descent while composing / improvising. This is why I switched to practicing the stuff that's currently in use


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post Oct 30 2013, 11:25 AM
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Oi! Ken

It's something I've been thinking about but too lazy to do anything about.

I keep meaning to sit down with my Andy Timmons Resolution transcription book and my Eric Johnson book and find some nice fast runs to use as exercises rather than just doing scales.

It's what I like about the GMC lessons is that they are musical ideas that focus on certain things


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post Oct 30 2013, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Oct 30 2013, 11:25 AM) *
Oi! Ken

It's something I've been thinking about but too lazy to do anything about.

I keep meaning to sit down with my Andy Timmons Resolution transcription book and my Eric Johnson book and find some nice fast runs to use as exercises rather than just doing scales.

It's what I like about the GMC lessons is that they are musical ideas that focus on certain things



Very good point! GMC lessons are mostly a piece of music that is focus on some particular technique or just a combo of few. It's much more pleasant to learn this way smile.gif You can always ask for additional feedback via forum or video chats smile.gif


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post Oct 30 2013, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (KenA @ Oct 29 2013, 05:30 PM) *
Hi guys.

For a Workout Routine ( the gym part ), do you think it's better to extract the exercises from actual songs so I have a more musical sounding exercise or it's better to go neutral and find/build exercises with the specific goal of making your muscles to workout?

I'm sure the more advanced players have at least once thought about this dilemma and I would appreciate knowing what you guys think about this.


Thanks in advance, Ken



Hi Ken! I think that both things are important and effective to become better at technique. Learning songs and practising musical licks and ideas will give you real vocabulary, it's like learning phrases in a language. Practising exercises will help you to play those phrases with more precision and without limits. They prepare you to every type of situation.

I like to compare it with football players. Running, gym and doing exercises are very important for them to be on shape, but real playing & experience is as important to become a better footballer. So in our case would be: Exercises: getting in shape, Real Music Playing: Become a better guitarist / musician.

Let me know if you are interested in my help to design your weekly routines!

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post Oct 30 2013, 02:14 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the input. I believe everyone have a good point here and I do take that into consideration. GMC is really what PosterBoy and Darius said ... it's a fun way of doing the let's say 'boring' stuff? and Gabe gave us a good comparison with the footballers and indeed, the mixing of those things will result in better athletes or musicians.

Gabe, I saw your Army guitar Routine which I think is a very good one but before commiting to that I still have some more basic things to accomplish. For example, although I started my learning journey in 2009, I spent nearly 2 years with just an acoustic guitar with what I practiced mainly funk rhythm chord licks ( I know, not the proper instrument ), only in 2011/12 I got my first electric which is better suited to play and I think also to navigate throughout the entire fretboard. I'm in the transitioning phase of expanding the Pentatonic scale patterns to the full major scale patterns, but i'm doing it from the perspective of a Penta player eg. suppose I have a Minor Penta and would like to do some Dorian, I actually add 2 intervals: 2nd and 6th and so on. Appears to be simple (it is) but from the pattern point of view it opens a vast array of possibilities: should I go vertical on the fretboard or 3 notes per string going more horizontal, etc. Plus I don't have good technique (the need for a workout routine would enter here)

And that kind of mental thinking and some research took me to one very interesting instructor named Fareed Haque. He has a video class: Modal Improv Survival Guide and part of the course talks and explains how he visualize the fretboard: Fretboard Mastery System = 1 Octave Workout + 2 Octave Workout -> Perpetual Motion Workout. Appears to be a very interesting way of visualizing the fretboard and I'll probably will dig this also.

In sum:

- I need to improve my guitar chops,
- I need to visualize and navigate the fretboard much better than I can do it now,
- the chord learning I did helped me to visualize the intervals,
- maybe instead of visualizing the fretboard like several patterns, it's better to see just one pattern: you find a Root and navigate the scale pattern, then from the next root it's the same pattern (just beware of the B string) ... same for chords.
- but theory is much easier than applying it, heheh

Well, anyways ... before I actually start something new, I really like to do some research first and only then try to build some strategy, some path to follow ... sometimes it works, some not so well, but I consider it as part of the fun in playing and learning this wonderful instrument :-) Thanks!


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post Oct 30 2013, 04:03 PM
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Watch the video in the first post of this thread.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=50490
Starting at about the 21 minute mark he begins talking about technique and practicing (but watch the whole thing).


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post Oct 30 2013, 04:19 PM
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Hi mate, nice post! I think that you are on the right path with all those concepts. I like the fact that you give a big importance to understand the fretboard and do an effective use of scales and modes. And also to work on this in parallel with technique concepts.

Regarding Gab's Army Routines, there is not an specific level that you need to have, we design them together with the students so once you feel ready we can start working on it. By the way, feel free to contact me every time you need some help or feedback!



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post Oct 30 2013, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 30 2013, 03:03 PM) *
Watch the video in the first post of this thread.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=50490
Starting at about the 21 minute mark he begins talking about technique and practicing (but watch the whole thing).


Great video and the way Satriani thinks is very similar to the way Farred Haque thinks. Check this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg19XiAnAD8

- at around 41:05min Joe explains that he extracts interesting found exercises from actual songs ... anyways, thanks for sharing this one!

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post Oct 30 2013, 06:37 PM
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The thanks goes to Sensible Jones here at the GMC forums.
And thank you for the Fareed Haque.


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post Oct 30 2013, 07:25 PM
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Hey mate smile.gif I also have a practice schedule program which you can find out more about here:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...t=0&start=0

Let me know if you are interested in working together wink.gif


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post Oct 31 2013, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 30 2013, 06:25 PM) *
Hey mate smile.gif I also have a practice schedule program which you can find out more about here:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...t=0&start=0

Let me know if you are interested in working together wink.gif


Thanks Cosmin, I appreciate it and I'll keep that in mind :-) ... by the way, very nice phrasing on the "Mixolydian-Phrasing-4-Variations" tutorials!


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post Oct 31 2013, 01:41 PM
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"There's no point in practicing that which you already know." -Chad Wackerman
"Focus on your weakness." -C.C. Chuang

Edit: What I mean by that is that you have to tailor a personal practice schedule which will ensure your personal development in a direction which is preferable to you.

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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Oct 31 2013, 12:41 PM) *
Edit: What I mean by that is that you have to tailor a personal practice schedule which will ensure your personal development in a direction which is preferable to you.


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