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Cosmin Lupu
post Nov 24 2013, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Nov 24 2013, 12:23 PM) *
Ha ha smile.gif Yeah...I used a mirror to when trying to learn from some killer players smile.gif Very good way of Your hand work observation smile.gif


As long as you don't fall into the trap that I fell into back then biggrin.gif


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Anders Karlsson
post Dec 11 2013, 07:55 PM
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Hi again. I made a new clip, alternative picking. I hope there is some progress. I have made some changes concerning the picking grip. From now on the thumb is pointing down, not up and that was a struggle for me. I tried to use "thumb-movement" but i cant manage it yet. I think my movement is coming more from the wrist and less from the elbow. I had the circulating pivot in mind:)

Do you have any hints or suggestions for the right hand and for the left hand of course, can see something weird.
I must say, the "thumb-motion" is a big issue for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRekiLqsZbs

Thank your all your hints and suggestions earlier in this topic, your hints will develop my playing. I have a lot to do, I want the picking to be more accurate not necessary faster, or what you think?

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post Dec 11 2013, 09:52 PM
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Starting about 14 Seconds in, watch the vid again and see just how much your hand/arm tightens up. You are almost "picking from the elbow" again.

DISCLAIMER:
*Everyone has their own way, some folks pick from the elbow and do fine.
*There is no perfect way
*Yes, the arm will try to naturally tense up a bit at speed.


WHEW! Now that that's out of the way smile.gif IMHO that stiff armed picking approach is one that I actively discourage students from using. I used to pick that way myself actually.

It took me years to find the sweet spot of being able to stay loose and still pick with precision/speed. It takes years to work out no matter what so until you do work it out, if you have to pick from the elbow to get the speed you like, then that's fine smile.gif

Having said that, I"d stay focus on the tension in your hand arm. Watch the videos I posted in the thread again. Notice how I'm NOT tensing? And still playing at a fast clip? Because of this technique, my hand doesn't fatigue like many players. We play pretty much non stop each sat/sun for two hours and I could honestly play at that speed for four or five hours if needed. When I was doing it like you are doing it here, my hand would "Burn Out" in about an hour.

In short, your doing better smile.gif But the tension thing is still worth a bit more work. smile.gif

TRY THIS!!!! smile.gif LESSON #5 in my bootcamp series is a good one for working this issue out. Watch my right hand. Notice that even at 180 bpm my FOREARM ISN"T MOVING. I'm just articulating with hand and a bit of wrist. ALSO!!! Watch the entire vid as it contains my "mini lecture" on picking this way.




Here is that vid I shared again. Notice how my FOREARM IS NOT MOVING. I"m Plaing fast but my hand is not tensed, my elbow is not even involved, and the strikes are controlled and even. All of this stems from forcing the hand to relax a bit.


Todd



QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ Dec 11 2013, 01:55 PM) *
Hi again. I made a new clip, alternative picking. I hope there is some progress. I have made some changes concerning the picking grip. From now on the thumb is pointing down, not up and that was a struggle for me. I tried to use "thumb-movement" but i cant manage it yet. I think my movement is coming more from the wrist and less from the elbow. I had the circulating pivot in mind:)

Do you have any hints or suggestions for the right hand and for the left hand of course, can see something weird.
I must say, the "thumb-motion" is a big issue for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRekiLqsZbs

Thank your all your hints and suggestions earlier in this topic, your hints will develop my playing. I have a lot to do, I want the picking to be more accurate not necessary faster, or what you think?

Best regard
//Anders


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Anders Karlsson
post Dec 11 2013, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 11 2013, 09:52 PM) *
Starting about 14 Seconds in, watch the vid again and see just how much your hand/arm tightens up. You are almost "picking from the elbow" again.

DISCLAIMER:
*Everyone has their own way, some folks pick from the elbow and do fine.
*There is no perfect way
*Yes, the arm will try to naturally tense up a bit at speed.


WHEW! Now that that's out of the way smile.gif IMHO that stiff armed picking approach is one that I actively discourage students from using. I used to pick that way myself actually.

It took me years to find the sweet spot of being able to stay loose and still pick with precision/speed. It takes years to work out no matter what so until you do work it out, if you have to pick from the elbow to get the speed you like, then that's fine smile.gif

Having said that, I"d stay focus on the tension in your hand arm. Watch the videos I posted in the thread again. Notice how I'm NOT tensing? And still playing at a fast clip? Because of this technique, my hand doesn't fatigue like many players. We play pretty much non stop each sat/sun for two hours and I could honestly play at that speed for four or five hours if needed. When I was doing it like you are doing it here, my hand would "Burn Out" in about an hour.

In short, your doing better smile.gif But the tension thing is still worth a bit more work. smile.gif

TRY THIS!!!! smile.gif LESSON #5 in my bootcamp series is a good one for working this issue out. Watch my right hand. Notice that even at 180 bpm my FOREARM ISN"T MOVING. I'm just articulating with hand and a bit of wrist. ALSO!!! Watch the entire vid as it contains my "mini lecture" on picking this way.




Here is that vid I shared again. Notice how my FOREARM IS NOT MOVING. I"m Plaing fast but my hand is not tensed, my elbow is not even involved, and the strikes are controlled and even. All of this stems from forcing the hand to relax a bit.


Todd


Now when you told me I can see the that my arm tights up. Didn't saw it before but your trained eyes sees it. The way to achieve this loosen wrist. Is it to start playing slow and really focus on the wrist? It may take years, but im not in a rush:) I think the speed is ok, but if i can manage the wrist-motion it would be a more accurate picking i guess. I´ll check out your clips again and try to "copy" your motions.

When im practicing slowly the wrist is doing a more circulating motion, but when im speeding up it just disappear:(

What do you think about the pick-grip and speed by the way:)

Edit: Your bootcamp series gives a lot of information, I will check it out.

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post Dec 12 2013, 01:53 AM
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SLOWLY is always a good place to start smile.gif You can speed up, just don't tense up when you do it. You just have to take control of your arm and override the natural instinct to tense. If you notice you are tensing, it means you are losing control and instinct is taking over so slow down a bit smile.gif

Also, try to focus on picking from the fingers back, not the elbow down. You can do TONS of picking, even fast picking by articulating only your first finger and thumb. Adding the hand in can greatly increase the speed. I often don't use much wrist as I'm typically planting the back half of my hand on the bridge for a mute. That way I can use every string in a given scale run without losing mute and creating extra noise smile.gif

Your grip seems fine smile.gif And the speed seems fine as well. Just a matter of applying what you've learned and putting it all in context as you work towards adapting your fingers/hand to a new style of picking.

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Now when you told me I can see the that my arm tights up. Didn't saw it before but your trained eyes sees it. The way to achieve this loosen wrist. Is it to start playing slow and really focus on the wrist? It may take years, but im not in a rush:) I think the speed is ok, but if i can manage the wrist-motion it would be a more accurate picking i guess. I´ll check out your clips again and try to "copy" your motions.

When im practicing slowly the wrist is doing a more circulating motion, but when im speeding up it just disappear:(

What do you think about the pick-grip and speed by the way:)

Edit: Your bootcamp series gives a lot of information, I will check it out.



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post Dec 17 2013, 12:32 PM
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Hey mate - Todd's advice on picking is priceless, as usual! Try taking things slowly and take the time to observe the motions of your hand smile.gif In my honest opinion, the only thing that's stopping us from progress is our endless desire to make progress happen overnight and each time, almost without doubt, we start good, but when we see that improvement fails to appear from a certain point onwards or at all (in the timeframe that WE consider normal, without really knowing our rhythm) we tend to go back to what we knew, even if we know it's not good.

Have patience and apply what Todd's telling you here - magic happens, if you allow it wink.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 17 2013, 12:32 PM) *
Hey mate - Todd's advice on picking is priceless, as usual! Try taking things slowly and take the time to observe the motions of your hand smile.gif In my honest opinion, the only thing that's stopping us from progress is our endless desire to make progress happen overnight and each time, almost without doubt, we start good, but when we see that improvement fails to appear from a certain point onwards or at all (in the timeframe that WE consider normal, without really knowing our rhythm) we tend to go back to what we knew, even if we know it's not good.

Have patience and apply what Todd's telling you here - magic happens, if you allow it wink.gif


Yes, ill have that in mind smile.gif
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post Dec 18 2013, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE (Anders Karlsson @ Dec 17 2013, 07:47 PM) *
Yes, ill have that in mind smile.gif


Tell it to yourself every practice session and don't try to find any shortcuts where there are none smile.gif The only shortcut, is when you think about no shortcut - time passes more easily wink.gif


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post Dec 20 2013, 08:04 AM
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Well said!!!! This is really important and I know things like this are often not what students want to hear. I wish there was one certain "trick" that I could share with all my students to get them over the vast chasm between where they are and where they want to be. Watching people play who make it "look easy" often somehow makes people think there is some secret they are holding which allows them play stuff in a certain way/certain speed. The truth is, you are just seeing the result. The steps leading to that result take years, upon years of dedicated, ardent, disciplined, work.

The good news is, once you reach the point where you can effortlessly play/shred/solo/etc., there is nothing like it on earth. it's a wonderful feeling to let the music just happen. Once your technical ability matches your creative inclination, it's a thing beyond price. And it CAN"T be bought. It CAN"T be faked. Anyone you see that plays well, HAS EARNED IT IN BLOOD AND SWEAT. And ANYONE can have it. They just have to be willing to earn it. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 18 2013, 02:56 AM) *
Tell it to yourself every practice session and don't try to find any shortcuts where there are none smile.gif The only shortcut, is when you think about no shortcut - time passes more easily wink.gif



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post Dec 20 2013, 06:10 PM
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Hats off Todd!

I had THE EXACT same thought when I was 17 smile.gif I went visiting my uncle in Switzerland and I met a few guys having a death metal band there, in Geneva.

Man, the guitarist was a huge Dimebag fan and he could shred back then, like hell! Needless to say, I asked - WHAT IS THE SECRET! TELL ME NOW! He shrugged and said... Dude, I just practice... I felt SO down sad.gif It took me about 6 more years to figure out he was true to me laugh.gif


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It's a small world!! smile.gif I had almost the exact same experience!! My uncle was my inspiration to pick up the guitar!! He played so effortlessly and I could tell how much he enjoyed playing. I asked him to show me how to play in one afternoon. He sorta chuckled and said, "it might take a bit longer than that". It did take much longer, but at first I was almost mad at him for not showing me everything in one day smile.gif

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Hats off Todd!

I had THE EXACT same thought when I was 17 smile.gif I went visiting my uncle in Switzerland and I met a few guys having a death metal band there, in Geneva.

Man, the guitarist was a huge Dimebag fan and he could shred back then, like hell! Needless to say, I asked - WHAT IS THE SECRET! TELL ME NOW! He shrugged and said... Dude, I just practice... I felt SO down sad.gif It took me about 6 more years to figure out he was true to me laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 20 2013, 09:42 PM) *
It's a small world!! smile.gif I had almost the exact same experience!! My uncle was my inspiration to pick up the guitar!! He played so effortlessly and I could tell how much he enjoyed playing. I asked him to show me how to play in one afternoon. He sorta chuckled and said, "it might take a bit longer than that". It did take much longer, but at first I was almost mad at him for not showing me everything in one day smile.gif

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So, Todd, was it your your uncle the one responsible for your beginnings?


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Yup smile.gif He gave me my first guitar! It was an American Fender Strat modified with a Dimarzio Humbucker. smile.gif I would never have picked up guitar if it wasn't for him. How about you?

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So, Todd, was it your your uncle the one responsible for your beginnings?



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 22 2013, 04:01 AM) *
Yup smile.gif He gave me my first guitar! It was an American Fender Strat modified with a Dimarzio Humbucker. smile.gif I would never have picked up guitar if it wasn't for him. How about you?


Heh! A guy in the neighborhood that later on became one of my best friends (and also a drummer) was the sort of dude that had it all - he was a very skilled skater in the late 90s (note that the phenomenon was very fresh in Romania at that time), he was playing the guitar and he had a nice voice and also the sort of cool guy that everyone wanted to be friends with.

I was a chubby 13 year old kid that everyone pushed around, but because I liked skating too, I ended up in the same entourage with him. One day, the guys told me that he can play the guitar (about 2 years before, my mom and dad gave the first rock and metal CDs). From that point on, we started spending a lot of time together and he used to write me tabs on napkins that he gave me when we met in the park with our guitars. I remember everyone gathering around us and suddenly (well, not that suddenly) the chubby and unpopular kid, became quite popular because he was friends with THAT cool guy and he learned guitar in a very short time smile.gif That's how my story began biggrin.gif


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