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post Jul 7 2007, 01:13 AM
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Are there multiple boxes for these scales too or no? Thanks.

It seems too easy to not have multiple boxes, but it would be nice!


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post Jul 7 2007, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (AIB234 @ Jul 6 2007, 08:13 PM) *
Are there multiple boxes for these scales too or no? Thanks.

It seems too easy to not have multiple boxes, but it would be nice!


Well, yes and no ...

You can figure out multiple boxes for 3nps, but it is better to start thinking about the fretboard as a unit when you get to this stage - as an example, look at Pavels Speed Picking #1 lesson - that is all 3nps, but he takes you through all of the possible boxes on the top 3 string so that you start to get a feel for the fretboard.

Thinking on boxes is a useful way to get started but is ultimately very limiting - I know this since its only since I've been here at GMC that I have truly broken my way out of the few boxes I knew, and it is very liberating!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 7 2007, 02:16 AM) *
Well, yes and no ...

You can figure out multiple boxes for 3nps, but it is better to start thinking about the fretboard as a unit when you get to this stage - as an example, look at Pavels Speed Picking #1 lesson - that is all 3nps, but he takes you through all of the possible boxes on the top 3 string so that you start to get a feel for the fretboard.

Thinking on boxes is a useful way to get started but is ultimately very limiting - I know this since its only since I've been here at GMC that I have truly broken my way out of the few boxes I knew, and it is very liberating!


Great answer Andrew!

Exactly - you learn the boxes but later you know the sound of them and you can play it all by ear - you'll know if you play something wrong!! Of course there are boxes but learning the sound of major scale is much more important. I had same problems in the beginning - now i am where i am. So trust me - just practice those alternate picking lessons and with time you'll get the feeling of fretboard! smile.gif

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post Jul 7 2007, 01:28 AM
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Thanks for the quick replies guys!

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QUOTE (Pavel @ Jul 6 2007, 08:23 PM) *
but learning the sound of major scale is much more important.


That's exactly it, only just realized it when I saw your post - you get to a stage where you know instinctively what note of the scale you are on, and you think to your self in less than a millisecond, ok, my next note is going to be this I know I am here so I have to play up 3 frets or whatever. Hours and hours of training with the boxes gets you ready for that leap.


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I think the penatonic scale is the most important as its the only scal i know and care about....

Whats the point of learning major, minor, modes and all when theyre rarely used in the metal genre.

For people who listen to country, blues and all get down to those scales....


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QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jul 11 2007, 08:53 PM) *
I think the penatonic scale is the most important as its the only scal i know and care about....

Whats the point of learning major, minor, modes and all when theyre rarely used in the metal genre.

For people who listen to country, blues and all get down to those scales....


If you want to just stick to one type of playing in one scale on guitar i think that is a bit boring and limiting, very limiting. You will basically be a one trick pony, and nobody likes a one trick pony. tongue.gif


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QUOTE (jammer91 @ Jul 11 2007, 11:53 AM) *
I think the penatonic scale is the most important as its the only scal i know and care about....

Whats the point of learning major, minor, modes and all when theyre rarely used in the metal genre.

For people who listen to country, blues and all get down to those scales....



I have to say that it's a gross over-simplification to say that only pentatonic scales are important for playing metal. Yes, there are some guitarists that use no other scale types, but they tend to be the less interesting ones IMO. You can also hear a lot of country and blues guitarists that rely very heavily on the pentatonic. In fact metal is a genre that tends to have a bit more diversity in the scales/modes used. Fusion and jazz probably take it a step further again.

Scales are the foundation of music and by limiting what you learn you limit what you are capable of musically. Surely that can't be a good idea? Was it Billy Sheehan who said "you have to know the rules before you can break them"?


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QUOTE (Resurrection @ Jul 11 2007, 09:18 PM) *
Was it Billy Sheehan who said "you have to know the rules before you can break them"?


I will have to trust you on that, but either way, that is a very good saying! smile.gif Thank you for sharing.

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post Jul 11 2007, 02:54 PM
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I'm also willing to bet that my favourite guitarists like Petrucci, Malmsteen, and whoever else use more than just a pentatonic scale smile.gif

And as said above, I'd like to play more than just a pentatonic scale. It's not that much more effort to learn the other boxes, eventually the 3nps will come and then I'll know my fretboard inside and out and turn the pentatonic scales inside and out in my sleep.


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Marty Friedman also uses major and minor scales as well as arpeggios all the time, and I consider his playing "metal" :)
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QUOTE (AIB234 @ Jul 11 2007, 03:54 PM) *
I'm also willing to bet that my favourite guitarists like Petrucci, Malmsteen, and whoever else use more than just a pentatonic scale smile.gif

And as said above, I'd like to play more than just a pentatonic scale. It's not that much more effort to learn the other boxes, eventually the 3nps will come and then I'll know my fretboard inside and out and turn the pentatonic scales inside and out in my sleep.


Pentatonics can be killer stuff if played in 3nps patterns. Basically it's connecting of 2 pentatonic boxes but you can than do crazy stuff with it! Watch Rusty's EXTREME PENTATONICS instructional!


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