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post Dec 13 2013, 06:37 PM
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Paul kossoff...Brilliant guitarist!!!! This guy plays exactly how I would like to!!! laugh.gif If I need encouragment to play...I just listen to Paul Kossoff and the brilliant band 'Free'



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post Dec 13 2013, 08:18 PM
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I see You pull out some classics biggrin.gif Great band..I've played some covers smile.gif Great stuff for Jam sessions smile.gif


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post Dec 14 2013, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 13 2013, 08:18 PM) *
I see You pull out some classics biggrin.gif Great band..I've played some covers smile.gif Great stuff for Jam sessions smile.gif


Everything stems back to these classics, I think! smile.gif If it remains fresh to my ears the 1000th time then it must be good. It would have been amazing to be at The Isle of White Rock Festival in 1970, Free, Hendrix,The Who, Miles davis etc etc. cool.gif
I would like to see your covers...if it was possible!



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post Dec 15 2013, 12:59 AM
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Such a tasteful player!!
On a slightly extraneous link I went to see Mick Ralphs a few weeks back and he's still as tasteful as he was in Bad Company!!!
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post Apr 6 2014, 02:24 PM
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okay so its an older post but I was searching GMC for Kossoff related stuff having recently gotten into Free and the Koss and had to add a +1 to HBs original sentiment.... Paul Kossoff was brilliant!
Ive had the 'fire and water' album practically on repeat for the last few days and Ive been really impressed with his playing. A real 'less is more' and make every note count type of approach in his lead and also the rhythms are very loose and stoner-esque, brilliant stuff.

anyone know what the deal is with his guitar?
I thought it was a slightly worn goldtop but it seems it was a 'burst which he took a sander to ( or something ) seems to have shredded off the flametop, reminded me of the Jackson that Spock is currently tormenting! I didn't think doing that to guitars was a 'thing' back in 1970.

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post Apr 6 2014, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 6 2014, 06:24 AM) *
okay so its an older post but I was searching GMC for Kossoff related stuff having recently gotten into Free and the Koss and had to add a +1 to HBs original sentiment.... Paul Kossoff was brilliant!
Ive had the 'fire and water' album practically on repeat for the last few days and Ive been really impressed with his playing. A real 'less is more' and make every note count type of approach in his lead and also the rhythms are very loose and stoner-esque, brilliant stuff.

anyone know what the deal is with his guitar?
I thought it was a slightly worn goldtop but it seems it was a 'burst which he took a sander to ( or something ) seems to have shredded off the flametop, reminded me of the Jackson that Spock is currently tormenting! I didn't think doing that to guitars was a 'thing' back in 1970.


The top is still there, he just took off all the lacquer (back of the neck too). You don't see the 'flame' because the lack of gloss doesn't let it come through. He said he liked the sound better. John Lennon did the same thing for the same reason to an original (sunburst) Epiphone Casino though he had it re-finished natural.

Most guitars (even a 1959 burst) weren't considered that precious until the early/mid 80s. Guys would re-fin them, change the pickups, rout for different sized pkups (LP deluxes and specials cut to fit PAFs), etc.

*Very occasionally you'll see a 1968 gold top that's wearing through to it's 'original' finish of which many were first done in sunburst and then re-painted gold before they were shipped.
When you see them 'greening' that's the oxidation of the iron in the gold paint.

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post Apr 6 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 6 2014, 03:16 PM) *
The top is still there, he just took off all the lacquer (back of the neck too). You don't see the 'flame' because the lack of gloss doesn't let it come through. He said he liked the sound better. John Lennon did the same thing for the same reason to an original (sunburst) Epiphone Casino though he had it re-finished natural.

Most guitars (even a 1959 burst) weren't considered that precious until the early/mid 80s. Guys would re-fin them, change the pickups, rout for different sized pkups (LP deluxes and specials cut to fit PAFs), etc.

*Very occasionally you'll see a 1968 gold top that's wearing through to it's 'original' finish of which many were first done in sunburst and then re-painted gold before they were shipped.
When you see them 'greening' that's the oxidation of the iron in the gold paint.


That is really interesting, thanks. I googled for info about it but didnt find anything. Never heard of guys removing the lacquer to get a better tone, its mad and kinda cool at the same time.
Crazy to think that there are goltops with different finishes underneath, I wonder if Gibson still do that sort of thing, Im now looking at my black LP thinking 'I wonder if theres a really nice flame under that'! not that I'll be checking smile.gif


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post Apr 7 2014, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 6 2014, 03:16 PM) *
The top is still there, he just took off all the lacquer (back of the neck too). You don't see the 'flame' because the lack of gloss doesn't let it come through. He said he liked the sound better. John Lennon did the same thing for the same reason to an original (sunburst) Epiphone Casino though he had it re-finished natural.

Most guitars (even a 1959 burst) weren't considered that precious until the early/mid 80s. Guys would re-fin them, change the pickups, rout for different sized pkups (LP deluxes and specials cut to fit PAFs), etc.

*Very occasionally you'll see a 1968 gold top that's wearing through to it's 'original' finish of which many were first done in sunburst and then re-painted gold before they were shipped.
When you see them 'greening' that's the oxidation of the iron in the gold paint.



Great add smile.gif .I had no idea about this :)Though.. I was always thinking that no-paint finish has more rich midrange (personal observations) and
also was struggling for many times about the "artificial value" of some old instruments. Instruments that were something natural in those times.

If I remember correctly...You Ken, mentioned same thing about Fender Blackface amps smile.gif


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post Apr 7 2014, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 6 2014, 02:24 PM) *
okay so its an older post but I was searching GMC for Kossoff related stuff having recently gotten into Free and the Koss and had to add a +1 to HBs original sentiment.... Paul Kossoff was brilliant!
Ive had the 'fire and water' album practically on repeat for the last few days and Ive been really impressed with his playing. A real 'less is more' and make every note count type of approach in his lead and also the rhythms are very loose and stoner-esque, brilliant stuff.

anyone know what the deal is with his guitar?
I thought it was a slightly worn goldtop but it seems it was a 'burst which he took a sander to ( or something ) seems to have shredded off the flametop, reminded me of the Jackson that Spock is currently tormenting! I didn't think doing that to guitars was a 'thing' back in 1970.

I'm glad you revived this old thread Bleez..because Paul Kossof was amazing!


QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 7 2014, 10:42 AM) *
Great add smile.gif .I had no idea about this :)Though.. I was always thinking that no-paint finish has more rich midrange (personal observations) and
also was struggling for many times about the "artificial value" of some old instruments. Instruments that were something natural in those times.

If I remember correctly...You Ken, mentioned same thing about Fender Blackface amps smile.gif


Yep really interesting what Klasaine said about this...Like you Darius...I'm remembering a similar topic...but I thought it was about painting guitars yourself and effecting their tones? huh.gif


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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 6 2014, 11:16 AM) *
The top is still there, he just took off all the lacquer (back of the neck too). You don't see the 'flame' because the lack of gloss doesn't let it come through. He said he liked the sound better. John Lennon did the same thing for the same reason to an original (sunburst) Epiphone Casino though he had it re-finished natural.

Most guitars (even a 1959 burst) weren't considered that precious until the early/mid 80s. Guys would re-fin them, change the pickups, rout for different sized pkups (LP deluxes and specials cut to fit PAFs), etc.

*Very occasionally you'll see a 1968 gold top that's wearing through to it's 'original' finish of which many were first done in sunburst and then re-painted gold before they were shipped.
When you see them 'greening' that's the oxidation of the iron in the gold paint.



Very interesting stuff. I didn't know this player but I heard all those solos in the video and I can say that he is a very tasty classic rock player and that he gets a beautiful tone from this les paul combined with that Orange. I must have read the name "Free" many times but I never checked the band. Good stuff!


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post Apr 7 2014, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 7 2014, 02:42 AM) *
Great add smile.gif .I had no idea about this :)Though.. I was always thinking that no-paint finish has more rich midrange (personal observations) and
also was struggling for many times about the "artificial value" of some old instruments. Instruments that were something natural in those times.

If I remember correctly...You Ken, mentioned same thing about Fender Blackface amps smile.gif


In general, better materials, better craftsmanship and more pride in both those things.
Cars, furniture, clothes ... it's all the same.

Small builders still have the 3 things mentioned above ... but you'll pay for it. Or, the top end of the big name guys.

*In 1959 a brand new LP (standard) cost $265.00 + $42.00 for a hardshell case. That's $307.00.
A little less that $2500.00 today. So, about the same relatively. 1958 to 1960 are considered the golden years for LPs in particular (the 335s from that period are the best as well). If you can even find and LP for sale from one of those three years, you'll pay no less than probably $150,000.ºº (that's actually the low end).

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 7 2014, 06:23 PM) *
*In 1959 a brand new LP (standard) cost $265.00 + $42.00 for a hardshell case. That's $307.00.
A little less that $2500.00 today. So, about the same relatively. 1958 to 1960 are considered the golden years for LPs in particular (the 335s from that period are the best as well). If you can even find and LP for sale from one of those three years, you'll pay no less than probably $150,000.ºº (that's actually the low end).

crazy money! Im sure I read that Joe Bonamassa paid $250,000 for his '59 standard skinner burst. I thought I must've read it wrong tbh but maybe not!
I bought my LP standard in 1990 for about £900 GBP, I'll give Joe a shout in another 25 years and see if he's interested smile.gif
I'd love to play a '59 LP just to feel what they are like and why that particular era is so sought after. I think the oldest one Ive played is my mate's '87 standard, not exactly from the golden age but it would be cool to compare them.

Mike Mccready from Pearl Jam has a '59 LP as well, he said he traded some guitars towards the cost of it.


QUOTE (Headbanger @ Apr 7 2014, 02:11 PM) *
I'm glad you revived this old thread Bleez..because Paul Kossof was amazing!

C'mon the Koss smile.gif


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QUOTE (bleez @ Apr 7 2014, 11:57 AM) *
crazy money! Im sure I read that Joe Bonamassa paid $250,000 for his '59 standard skinner burst. I thought I must've read it wrong tbh but maybe not!
I bought my LP standard in 1990 for about £900 GBP, I'll give Joe a shout in another 25 years and see if he's interested smile.gif
I'd love to play a '59 LP just to feel what they are like and why that particular era is so sought after. I think the oldest one Ive played is my mate's '87 standard, not exactly from the golden age but it would be cool to compare them.

Mike Mccready from Pearl Jam has a '59 LP as well, he said he traded some guitars towards the cost of it.


Record keeping was pretty bad at Gibson prior to the mid 70s and apparently a guitars shipped log book was lost or stolen(?). But the general consensus (both by Gibson as well as collectors) is that there were only approx 1700 'sunburst' Les Paul standards built between 1958 and 1960. Not all of those are accounted for so anytime you see an old gibson case in auntie's attic ... check inside.

*They weren't all holy grail type guitars. Clapton, Duane Allman, Kossof, Ace Freley, Gary Moore (he had Peter Greens), McCready, Michael Bloomfield, etc. - they all have/had the really great ones. A bunch of them still out there are probably really good but not necessarily worth a quarter of a million dollars (and yes, J. Bonamassa paid 250,000 for his - no idea of the pedigree on that one).

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Maybe it;s worth to keep some stuff forever...from what we buy today smile.gif Someday it's could be a huge addition to our retirement biggrin.gif

Now I know who to ask about good and worse years of famous manufacturers production wink.gif Thx Ken smile.gif


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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 10 2014, 01:07 AM) *
Maybe it;s worth to keep some stuff forever...from what we buy today smile.gif Someday it's could be a huge addition to our retirement biggrin.gif

Now I know who to ask about good and worse years of famous manufacturers production wink.gif Thx Ken smile.gif


Nothing I have will pay for my retirement but I have a couple things that (by that time) will probably buy my kid a year or two at a decent university.


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smile.gif You'll never know what kind oh gear hype Your kids will make in the future smile.gif


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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 13 2014, 06:56 AM) *
smile.gif You'll never know what kind oh gear hype Your kids will make in the future smile.gif


True and I'll be interested to see what kids are into in 20 years.
But I'll make the wild assumption that anything that says 'made in USA' on it, especially from fender and gibson, will be worth more than I paid for it. Made in Japan will be a close second.
*I've watched the rise in value since the 70s. It's never faltered.


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