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Darius Wave
post Dec 21 2013, 11:14 AM
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Searching for some news at this field I found very cool video ofmicing basics. Of course most of it covers my own experience but at some points I have different observations. For me "far position" is the most "what You hear is what You get"...no matter if it's dynamic or condenser mic. What Are Your thoughts?




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post Dec 21 2013, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 21 2013, 11:14 AM) *
Searching for some news at this field I found very cool video ofmicing basics. Of course most of it covers my own experience but at some points I have different observations. For me "far position" is the most "what You hear is what You get"...no matter if it's dynamic or condenser mic. What Are Your thoughts?



really did not like the rear at all by itself, but loved how it added to all the positions
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post Dec 21 2013, 12:54 PM
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I don't know too many people using rear position. Most of the times we were searching for a tone in studios we had way too much low end even from a 12" combos (what we here is far different from what the mic "likes"). Usually the extra lows are problem...not the lack of those smile.gif


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post Dec 21 2013, 02:40 PM
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Hey D-man, thanks for sharing this wink.gif Just bookmarked it to watch tomorrow in silence


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post Dec 21 2013, 02:48 PM
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Silence needed i deed. Funny thing - he used audio-technica atm 650. Currently have the same mic for tests. K
It's very similar to sm but has some extra amount of juicy mids smile.gif


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post Dec 21 2013, 02:51 PM
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Yeah I've also never placed a mic very far, just test location+angle with (if possible) 3-4 mic.s and blended them. Nothing fancy but it worked, since the room wasn't so fancy either smile.gif

Though I've never used one, royer stuff is supposed to be very good for such applications. I guess its about getting natural depth, unlike drums I don't know many who mic.s the room for guitar.

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post Dec 21 2013, 09:45 PM
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Mertay...You know - the more experiments I do, the more I'm into getting out of traditional habits. Mic angle helps to get rid of harsh treble end but I hate the unnatural low level when mic is close to the cab. It has nothing to do with what we hear while setting up the tone beign in the amp room (Of course it's an opposite to setting the guitar tone in the engeneer's room, only hearing what's comming out of monitors.


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post Dec 22 2013, 01:02 PM
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This is very interesting, thank you Darius for sharing. I will for sure experiment smile.gif As far as what I've heard, I like the center position best..


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post Dec 22 2013, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Opetholic @ Dec 22 2013, 12:02 PM) *
This is very interesting, thank you Darius for sharing. I will for sure experiment smile.gif As far as what I've heard, I like the center position best..


Hey Mert smile.gif What amp and cab are you using?


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post Dec 22 2013, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Dec 22 2013, 01:33 PM) *
Hey Mert smile.gif What amp and cab are you using?


Oh it was some time ago, was usually for school stuff now at home I use all computer since I'm in an apartment smile.gif unless someone bringed a cab., we had a peavey. It wasn't a very good one but using a few mic.s really helped us finding sounds. This is more of a P.A. approach but I'd guess having more mic.s rather than cab.s is ideal for small (or home) studios.

Now they have mic. robots for this job, remote controlled so one can hear the changes in the control room smile.gif I usually got help from a friend for this sound search, waving hands while trying to find the best spot biggrin.gif If the cab. isn't very loud, using recording specific headphones (like Sennheiser hd280pro) also works.

Darius, yeah was the same for me but not only cab. pretty much any recording situation. We first learned some "book rules" like ideal distance or angle for mic.ing techniques (a/b, m/s etc.) but after a while once the ear starts to memorize these effects, personal tweaks started. I think experimenting takes a lot of time but is the best way to progress, another positive is one doesn't easily forget such experiences and can apply them wherever (different room, studio...) is needed.


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post Dec 22 2013, 03:04 PM
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I have a very crappy Marshall combo amp tongue.gif Good enough for an amateur player. I use a Shure Beta 57A mic to record my playing. My dream is to have a Mesa Boogie Mark V smile.gif
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Hey Mert smile.gif What amp and cab are you using?



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post Dec 22 2013, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (Opetholic @ Dec 22 2013, 02:04 PM) *
I have a very crappy Marshall combo amp tongue.gif Good enough for an amateur player. I use a Shure Beta 57A mic to record my playing. My dream is to have a Mesa Boogie Mark V smile.gif


Yeah, that one is pretty darn awesome smile.gif Mesa is not that awesome in respect to lead playing tho - the Road King is pretty dry, if you ask me.. Never tried the MArk, tho..


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post Dec 22 2013, 03:20 PM
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Really?? What you said is interesting.. I really like John Petrucci's tone though. He uses Mark V.. But I guess you need some tube screamer or something like that infront of it.. Oh well, it is too much for an amateur player anyway smile.gif
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Yeah, that one is pretty darn awesome smile.gif Mesa is not that awesome in respect to lead playing tho - the Road King is pretty dry, if you ask me.. Never tried the MArk, tho..



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post Dec 22 2013, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (Opetholic @ Dec 22 2013, 02:20 PM) *
Really?? What you said is interesting.. I really like John Petrucci's tone though. He uses Mark V.. But I guess you need some tube screamer or something like that infront of it.. Oh well, it is too much for an amateur player anyway smile.gif


Even with a booster in front, it's not really easy to wield it - I tried Pantera on it and it's not friendly at all


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post Dec 22 2013, 05:47 PM
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I don't remember Mark V to well. Played on it once but long time ago. From the description I can only say I would probably like it biggrin.gif I like the "hard ones" biggrin.gif As for the small amps there were a lot of situation when in studio the microphone like small amp much better than 412 cab wink.gif Probably because You always get extra low freqs amount through mic. Even when You hear Your combo lacks of it, still it could be perfect for the mix...sounding like a full stack biggrin.gif


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post Dec 23 2013, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 22 2013, 04:47 PM) *
I don't remember Mark V to well. Played on it once but long time ago. From the description I can only say I would probably like it biggrin.gif I like the "hard ones" biggrin.gif As for the small amps there were a lot of situation when in studio the microphone like small amp much better than 412 cab wink.gif Probably because You always get extra low freqs amount through mic. Even when You hear Your combo lacks of it, still it could be perfect for the mix...sounding like a full stack biggrin.gif


Darius - when you say, hard ones - do you mean amps which are difficult to play on because of the lack of sustain or, hard ones as in angry amps that roar?


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