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Jul 8 2007, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE (Kaneda @ Jul 7 2007, 10:26 PM) *
Sadly, that argument doesn't hold sad.gif It may technically be a different song, but copyright includes the exclusive right of the copyright holder to create "derivative works" too. Which includes adapting a novel to a stage play, transposing a song to a different key - and also (addressing the other common objection) writing tabs which aren't correct - as long as they're "similar enough". Then there's the gray, philosophical zone of determining how many notes (or intervals) to change before it's not derivative anymore. smile.gif Of course transposing a song a semitone up makes all the notes different, but saying it's a different song won't hold up in court wink.gif

Under the current legislation, tabs as well as guitar lessons of copyrighted works are illegal. Whether that's how it should be - and whether it does the music industry any good to shut down tab sites and guitar lessons - is another matter.

Needless to say, I don't think it's how it should be, and I don't think it does the music industry - much less the actual artists - any good. I also think the idea of software patents is the worst thing to happen to progress in the past 30 years. Yet that's how things are. unsure.gif


Very well said Kaneda!!! I couldn't agree more. I find the same people that bitch and moan about this stuff, are the same people when asked whom they voted for, say they don't vote. I too find the current state of copyright law to be lacking, to say the least. But it is the law, and that that. You want change, in America you are given that opportunity every two years. Say what you want, but if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch.

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I would not get too upset by this really. There are other ways, and other places to host videos.

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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 7 2007, 10:08 PM) *
What they do is really scary and if they are allowed to keep on going at this pace soon enough they will stop tribute and cover bands.


Venues pay BMI, ASCAP, etc fees to cover this.

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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 7 2007, 11:26 PM) *
edit. Im finding a ton of term oil on this subject , and this piece of poop is making me even more mad


Actually this is kind of funny hanging his whole point on "ghost accounts". On the 29th, the NextLevelGuitar guys sent an email out about what happened, the new account and asking for people to subscribe. It seems perfectly reasonable for some people to create an account just to make a statement here. I almost did it. I use Youtube quite a bit but don't really have any reason to create an account....so if I had subscribed to the new feed, my account would look like a 'ghost'.

People are funny.

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Yeah it was pretty funny , after looking at that Trevor guys other videos tongue.gif


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QUOTE (kahall @ Jul 8 2007, 05:43 AM) *
I would not get too upset by this really. There are other ways, and other places to host videos.


Yes that is right - but the fact that one single of the lessons mentioned here had 3-5 million views is proof that a very important distribution channel of instruction has been eliminated.

QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 8 2007, 12:08 AM) *
About song lessons on this site, is it very expensive with copyrights or could there be sort of a platina account with access to these?


I really dont hope a platina account should be necessary. I am hoping that we can find a better way of solving this...

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I despise The music industry. if every record exec dropped dead right now the world would be a better place.

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I did not read the entire article linked to or notice that it was on NPR when Kris first posted it here. NPR is notorious for stirring up s***when nothing has or will ever happen and they tend to slant everything to the negative side. I tried to find other stories relating to this article, there were very few and even those referred to the NPR article as its source. While it may be true that youtube is in the process of yanking all lessons that teach popular songs they have not done so yet.

Example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79m_PXFmJs



Maybe some of the lessons they have yanked just crossed a fine line that no one will ever be able to define.

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Yey! First ever on GMC? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Jul 9 2007, 03:31 AM) *
Yey! First ever on GMC? biggrin.gif


Sorry, no, I've been busy - there was a whole thread on it on Saturday ...

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 9 2007, 02:56 PM) *
Sorry, no, I've been busy - there was a whole thread on it on Saturday ...

Yes, I saw that later. Haven't checked GMC for a few days. That made the joke a bit flat. Sorry.

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This is sad. What next? Will it now be illegal to produce or purchase an electronic device that is specifically designed to slow down songs so that they can be transcribed?

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QUOTE (jeff @ Jul 9 2007, 03:50 PM) *
This is sad. What next? Will it now be illegal to produce or purchase an electronic device that is specifically designed to slow down songs so that they can be transcribed?


Yeah, didn't think of that ... I'll bet that if they wanted to the record companies could have a go at applying the Digital Milenium act there - after all, its reverse engineering a song mad.gif

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I just checked youtube. Jihad T.V. is still ok as long as you don't sneak in a guitar lesson.

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QUOTE (jeff @ Jul 9 2007, 09:50 PM) *
This is sad. What next? Will it now be illegal to produce or purchase an electronic device that is specifically designed to slow down songs so that they can be transcribed?


No I don't think so - basically you can do whatever you want as long as it's doesn't appeal to the masses.

If what you are doing does appeal to the masses - then you it could get taken away even it's perfectly legal. That's almost the impression I get from recent happenings.

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jul 10 2007, 08:36 AM) *
No I don't think so - basically you can do whatever you want as long as it's doesn't appeal to the masses.

If what you are doing does appeal to the masses - then you it could get taken away even it's perfectly legal. That's almost the impression I get from recent happenings.


OK Kris, so here is your solution and idea for GMC:

Convince record companies to include some kind of ID/Password that would be included with CD sales. That way, if I purchase a CD I have the right to transcriptions to those songs. Those transcriptions would be available here at GMC through the awesome instructors that you have and I would provide the ID/Password to get them.

I would gladly pay an extra buck for that and the giant music industry maching could be happy making more money so they could ski behind more yahts. What do you think?

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Convince record companies


That part sounds really simple!!! rolleyes.gif

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Pavel's right, what benefit is it to them if little GMC has In The Style of Lessons or not?

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Whoa, youtube is closing all guitar lessons.....

That would include Kris' lessons on youtube?

YouTube is gone wild!


Kris, somehow i suggest you keep the lessons going on youtube cause thats what caused me to join GMC (other that UG).... After all it would be cool if we had as many members as possible.

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No, they're just taking down lessons which teach sections or passages out of copyrighted songs. Anything else will not be targeted. tongue.gif

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