Choosing Tones For Recording!, VERY IMPORTANT |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:06 AM
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Hello everyone, I'm recording my solo EP, this year. One thing that is holding me back is choosing my tone.
Anyway, I wanted to know who's willing to help me. I'd record a small audio file, comparing some Kemper Rigs and you just have to type your opinion. I just need help with the lead sound. I have some options already and will put a track on soundcloud more later. Also, does anyone know how does he get this distortion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbqvdEJJ8 I've talked to Robbie already and know his rig but the thing I can not achieve is that tone with overdrive yet very smooth at all. It's like you know the overdrive is there but the "amp" never quite "breaks". It would be a good fit for some future non-heavier songs. -------------------- Youtube - youtube.com/miguelbatalhamusic
Facebook - facebook.com/miguelbatalhabookface Twitter - twitter.com/mbatalhamusic Cool stuff: aristidesinstruments.com timber-tones.com fxpansion.com spectraflex.com |
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Jan 6 2014, 06:39 PM
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The tone from the vid is a pretty typical medium distorted Strat tone.
Normal output single coil pkups and it sounds like he's in one of the in between positions or possibly just the middle pkup. You said you know what his rig is. What is it all exactly? -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 6 2014, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (miguelbatalha @ Jan 6 2014, 02:06 AM)  Hello everyone, I'm recording my solo EP, this year. One thing that is holding me back is choosing my tone. Anyway, I wanted to know who's willing to help me. I'd record a small audio file, comparing some Kemper Rigs and you just have to type your opinion. I just need help with the lead sound. I have some options already and will put a track on soundcloud more later. Also, does anyone know how does he get this distortion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbqvdEJJ8 I've talked to Robbie already and know his rig but the thing I can not achieve is that tone with overdrive yet very smooth at all. It's like you know the overdrive is there but the "amp" never quite "breaks". It would be a good fit for some future non-heavier songs. If I were to venture a guess, if the rig is the same and you can't get the tone to "break", your pickups or signal going in might not be hot enough. -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Jan 6 2014, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 6 2014, 05:39 PM) The tone from the vid is a pretty typical medium distorted Strat tone. Normal output single coil pkups and it sounds like he's in one of the in between positions or possibly just the middle pkup. You said you know what his rig is. What is it all exactly? its a Marshall JMP1 rack pre-amp and a TC Electronic G force processor running in stereo. Thats pretty much it. The guitar is in the video... QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Jan 6 2014, 06:36 PM) If I were to venture a guess, if the rig is the same and you can't get the tone to "break", your pickups or signal going in might not be hot enough. But I don't want the tone to "break" I want a smooth clean distortion like his'. -------------------- Youtube - youtube.com/miguelbatalhamusic
Facebook - facebook.com/miguelbatalhabookface Twitter - twitter.com/mbatalhamusic Cool stuff: aristidesinstruments.com timber-tones.com fxpansion.com spectraflex.com |
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Jan 6 2014, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (miguelbatalha @ Jan 6 2014, 11:22 AM) its a Marshall JMP1 rack pre-amp and a TC Electronic G force processor running in stereo. Thats pretty much it. The guitar is in the video... But I don't want the tone to "break" I want a smooth clean distortion like his'. ah, I misunderstood ~ I thought you were looking for just over the top. Same applies though. Your pickups or your input (or both) might not match his.Tone comes from your fingers too ~ don't discount that as a possibility. Perhaps the guy in the video is the person you should be comparing notes with? -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
My Band Forum: http://passionfly.site/chat |
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Jan 7 2014, 01:18 AM
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1) It's his hands and his guitar ... not you and not your axe.
2) What type of pickups? 3) What mic and what speaker? 4) If it's going 'direct' is there a nice studio pre-amp he's going into after the JMP1? So many variables. As I mentioned before that's a fairly common medium gain Strat tone. To get in the ballpark you should have a Strat with low or 'vintage' output single coils and a tube screamer style of OD. That should get you very close. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 7 2014, 01:21 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 7 2014, 02:18 AM
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Hey Ken.can you expand a bit more about point 4 of above.if direct out from amp into interface then,say reaper-is a studio pre-amp required.thanks
Hope this isn't a hijack ,Miguel |
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Jan 7 2014, 03:10 AM
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Something like these ... http://us.focusrite.com/mic-pres for mic in, line level in, instrument in.
Out of the guitar amp JMP1 (or after the microphone if it's a mic'd cab) > into the pre-amp > into your DAW. Nothings 'required' but there are many ways to fine tune your sound. And of course there are also software versions like this stuff ... http://www.uaudio.com/uad-plug-ins.html I'm not saying that this is how it was done in the OPs video example but that you shouldn't rule it out. *I personally think the particular tone that's being chased has mostly to do with the guitar and and the player. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 7 2014, 03:28 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 7 2014, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 7 2014, 02:10 AM) Something like these ... http://us.focusrite.com/mic-pres for mic in, line level in, instrument in. Out of the guitar amp JMP1 (or after the microphone if it's a mic'd cab) > into the pre-amp > into your DAW. Nothings 'required' but there are many ways to fine tune your sound. And of course there are also software versions like this stuff ... http://www.uaudio.com/uad-plug-ins.html I'm not saying that this is how it was done in the OPs video example but that you shouldn't rule it out. *I personally think the particular tone that's being chased has mostly to do with the guitar and and the player. thanks ken |
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Jan 7 2014, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE (tonyk @ Jan 7 2014, 01:18 AM) Hey Ken.can you expand a bit more about point 4 of above.if direct out from amp into interface then,say reaper-is a studio pre-amp required.thanks Hope this isn't a hijack ,Miguel no worries -------------------- Youtube - youtube.com/miguelbatalhamusic
Facebook - facebook.com/miguelbatalhabookface Twitter - twitter.com/mbatalhamusic Cool stuff: aristidesinstruments.com timber-tones.com fxpansion.com spectraflex.com |
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Jan 11 2014, 10:57 PM
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I'm sure everyone will be happy to pitch in
 Just keep posting questions in this thread as you go!Todd QUOTE (miguelbatalha @ Jan 6 2014, 05:06 AM) Hello everyone, I'm recording my solo EP, this year. One thing that is holding me back is choosing my tone.
Anyway, I wanted to know who's willing to help me. I'd record a small audio file, comparing some Kemper Rigs and you just have to type your opinion. I just need help with the lead sound. I have some options already and will put a track on soundcloud more later. Also, does anyone know how does he get this distortion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbqvdEJJ8 I've talked to Robbie already and know his rig but the thing I can not achieve is that tone with overdrive yet very smooth at all. It's like you know the overdrive is there but the "amp" never quite "breaks". It would be a good fit for some future non-heavier songs. |
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Jan 21 2014, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (miguelbatalha @ Jan 6 2014, 11:06 AM) Hello everyone, I'm recording my solo EP, this year. One thing that is holding me back is choosing my tone. Anyway, I wanted to know who's willing to help me. I'd record a small audio file, comparing some Kemper Rigs and you just have to type your opinion. I just need help with the lead sound. I have some options already and will put a track on soundcloud more later. Also, does anyone know how does he get this distortion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbqvdEJJ8 I've talked to Robbie already and know his rig but the thing I can not achieve is that tone with overdrive yet very smooth at all. It's like you know the overdrive is there but the "amp" never quite "breaks". It would be a good fit for some future non-heavier songs. Typically I achieve this sound by switching to the second to last position on my switch (bring the switch all the way up to the neck pickup and then back it off one click) and combine that with a light distortion. You can use your volume control to adjust the amount of bite at this point and simply playing harder or softer will get you to the break point or give you a beautiful clean sound. You can get a similar but brighter sound by using your switch in the second position (one click above the bridge pickup) but it can get really harsh really fast so I would err on the side of caution there. |
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Jan 21 2014, 06:14 PM
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Slightly off topic but related to the original post.
I've been noticing lately that a lot of players - both online in forums as well as in real life - are asking how to get the medium gain Strat tone. I guess because of my age this is an easy one ... standard strat, normal single coil pkups, tube screamer type of OD and a Fender style tube amp (maybe some delay and reverb). Oh, and don't turn up the gain on the Screamer too much and just hit the front end of the amp a little more than your guitar's normal output with the 'level' control. That's it! Seriously. I mean obviously play good but this is one of the most normal and common tones an electric guitar and amp can do. Don't over think or overgear this one. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 22 2014, 03:36 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 22 2014, 05:44 PM
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You can get very close to that tone with any guitar, amp and OD pedal. Backing - off - the - gain is the secret - on both the amp and the pedal.
*If one really wants the Strat tone - vintage (normal) output single coils are the only way. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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