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Mertay
post Jan 17 2014, 01:05 AM
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Probably I'm getting old for this music but always curious to learn smile.gif

I'm more curious on the elements of creativity or approach (or simply "why" you like?) rather than how to play or perform. Like it or not seems its getting more popular everyday, I could even see that by just looking at the new ibanez catalog smile.gif

I found this video and seems it sort of gives the basics well;



Anyone else would like to add info? I'm also curious as in these music transformations usually the more interesting comments comes from the younger wink.gif

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post Jan 17 2014, 01:15 AM
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I think djent is more of a sound than a genre. Its literally an onomatopoeia of the palm muted low string. It commonly seems to have really technical playing, as well as use of polyrhythms and odd meters. I believe that Meshuggah is one of the pioneers of the djent sound, but more recent bands like Periphery and TessracT have brought it to the masses. I'm on phone so I can't embed YouTube, but I'd suggest you search up two songs that are very different but still have a djent sound in them.

Meshuggah - Bleed
TesseracT - Exile


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post Jan 17 2014, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM) *
I think djent is more of a sound than a genre. Its literally an onomatopoeia of the palm muted low string. It commonly seems to have really technical playing, as well as use of polyrhythms and odd meters. I believe that Meshuggah is one of the pioneers of the djent sound, but more recent bands like Periphery and TessracT have brought it to the masses. I'm on phone so I can't embed YouTube, but I'd suggest you search up two songs that are very different but still have a djent sound in them.

Meshuggah - Bleed
TesseracT - Exile


Taka you are right! The thing is this subgenre of metal has started with Meshuggah, BUT the melodic/ orchestration side was the merit of Devin Townsend smile.gif Layered and spacy melodies are his specialty. You can observe the beautiful clash between the brutality of low end mean riffs, polyrhythms and layered melodies - I think this would be a good definition smile.gif


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post Jan 17 2014, 10:33 AM
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Certainly I'm not a fan of djent. But I always try to listen any style and find some interesting things.

About djent I like the idea of syncopated guitar riffs. IMO must have a good rhythmic skills to play this. Is not as easy as it looks.
What I don't like at all is that distinctive high-gain smile.gif Too unpleasant for my taste smile.gif

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post Jan 17 2014, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jan 17 2014, 08:33 PM) *
Certainly I'm not a fan of djent. But I always try to listen any style and find some interesting things.

About djent I like the idea of syncopated guitar riffs. IMO must have a good rhythmic skills to play this. Is not as easy as it looks.
What I don't like at all is that distinctive high-gain smile.gif Too unpleasant for my taste smile.gif


I definitely see what you mean. Bands like Meshuggah are am acquired taste. You might like TeseracT though, they're a fair bit mellover, especially on their new album. If you can find their song Exile on YouTube, you might like it smile.gif


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QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Jan 17 2014, 10:04 AM) *
I definitely see what you mean. Bands like Meshuggah are am acquired taste. You might like TeseracT though, they're a fair bit mellover, especially on their new album. If you can find their song Exile on YouTube, you might like it smile.gif

Yes, you understand very well what I wanted to mean smile.gif
Even if djent it's not my style for sure it's a style that I want learn to play, actually more than play, to understand it. If I will be able to play all that syncopated riffs, I will not have problems with rhythmic part or some timming issues. Everything has to sound like a clock wink.gif
To make a song how I have in mind, it must be a combination between more styles and this djent riffs must be there (but just for a piece from the song) wink.gif


TesseracT -Exile sounds really great and I like very much the vocal voice smile.gif



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post Jan 17 2014, 11:54 AM
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I like to listen to a few of djent bands but djent is not something that naturally comes out of my head. I like some bands for messing a lot with the harmony and giving all this space with pads or guitars + delay while at the same moment having rhythmically advanced backing guitars.


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post Jan 17 2014, 04:22 PM
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You guys should check out Modern Day Babylon. They have the Djent elements but have interesting atmospheric things going on in the background.



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post Jan 17 2014, 08:22 PM
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Hey guys (and girls smile.gif ) sorry for the late response as today was a bit busy. Thanks to all great responses by the way! smile.gif

So as far as I understand what we used to call progressive (not rock) metal is now called as djent? biggrin.gif

Though not very much, I do like and listen Tesseract, Devin townsend but can't really compare them (or find enough similarities) with meshuggah or periphery...or maybe I shouldn't think of djent as a genre?

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post Jan 17 2014, 09:42 PM
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The term "DJENT" is widely credited to MISHA MANSOOR of the band PERIPHERY. He has said many times that he never intended it to be used as a genre description. It was simply the way he described the palm muted, chunk sound that he likes to use when writing music. It has since taken on a life of it's own. It's often used to describe bands who use really heavy, low tuned, high gain, palm muted guitar rythms paired with complex/polyrythmic drum/bass.

It covers a LOT of ground to be honest wink.gif Generally, if it's deep and crunchy/muted, and you could not dance to it, it might be DJENT smile.gif


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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jan 17 2014, 02:22 PM) *
Hey guys (and girls smile.gif ) sorry for the late response as today was a bit busy. Thanks to all great responses by the way! smile.gif

So as far as I understand what we used to call progressive (not rock) metal is now called as djent? biggrin.gif

Though not very much, I do like and listen Tesseract, Devin townsend but can't really compare them (or find enough similarities) with meshuggah or periphery...or maybe I shouldn't think of djent as a genre?



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 17 2014, 08:42 PM) *
...and you could not dance to it, it might be DJENT smile.gif

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Lol! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 18 2014, 04:47 AM
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heheh. Good one eh?

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Lol! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 18 2014, 07:02 AM
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BTW here is a DJENT"ish" little guitar bit just for reference smile.gif I was working on a guitar rythm that would work as a quick and dirty djent example. Serendipity smile.gif

The tone is done simply by using the GUITAR GODS expansion preset pack for EZ MIX 2 from TOON TRACK. The guys from Meshuggah and Periphery did some of the presets and they are spot on! Or you can buy an axe fx/kemper or a Randall Satan/Mesa etc. for quite a bit more smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/djentmuch-tone-test-pro-tone



QUOTE (Mertay @ Jan 17 2014, 02:22 PM) *
Hey guys (and girls smile.gif ) sorry for the late response as today was a bit busy. Thanks to all great responses by the way! smile.gif

So as far as I understand what we used to call progressive (not rock) metal is now called as djent? biggrin.gif

Though not very much, I do like and listen Tesseract, Devin townsend but can't really compare them (or find enough similarities) with meshuggah or periphery...or maybe I shouldn't think of djent as a genre?



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post Jan 18 2014, 11:43 AM
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Modern Day Babylon - guitar player is very cool and kind guy smile.gif We found each other via YT few years back smile.gif I like his compositions smile.gif


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post Jan 19 2014, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jan 17 2014, 07:22 PM) *
Hey guys (and girls smile.gif ) sorry for the late response as today was a bit busy. Thanks to all great responses by the way! smile.gif

So as far as I understand what we used to call progressive (not rock) metal is now called as djent? biggrin.gif

Though not very much, I do like and listen Tesseract, Devin townsend but can't really compare them (or find enough similarities) with meshuggah or periphery...or maybe I shouldn't think of djent as a genre?


Devin has created the layered style of orchestrations and vocals, a long time before the idea of 'djent' was ever mentioned. He is practically the one responsible with the melodic part that inspired bands such as Tesseract or Periphery - out of what I know.


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post Jan 19 2014, 02:39 PM
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There's too many subgenres! biggrin.gif maybe soon we will have post-djentcore or something rediculous like that. Music is music, and if you're trying to write only in a particular genre, you are severely limiting your creativity smile.gif


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QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Jan 19 2014, 01:39 PM) *
There's too many subgenres! biggrin.gif maybe soon we will have post-djentcore or something rediculous like that. Music is music, and if you're trying to write only in a particular genre, you are severely limiting your creativity smile.gif


Good point here wink.gif I have the same opinion on the matter - there's two types of music: the one that managed to move you and the one who didn't..


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Hey! Nice thread. That first video is very clarifying and give some basic tips to get into the guitar Djent style. I'm always open to new styles and this style attacks me because of the sound, guitar tones, technical playing, clean atmospheres, but for any reason I get bored soon. I haven't found great songs yet, just great riffs, rhytms and guitar tones... this could be the main reason why I just listen to some songs and then get bored. The last days I have been listening a bit more to periphery and I could listen more than 3 songs, so maybe my ear is starting to enjoy it more. smile.gif


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Personally I'm not all negative to genre logic;

Incase someone missed to read about it, genre was created by record companies to simply catalog and sell their records easier. As in the past (pre-casette) its was very hard to record/duplicate a vinyl for the ordinary customer so this helped them to find music when they were shopping.

What I like about it is the transformation as it became a culture, there is a lot of research on this and they're fun to read or watch. This is slowly dieing today but as an example, if I tell someone I listen to x music and specially like Y bands in that genre I'm giving away a lot of analysis of my personality or even the fashion of what I wear daily smile.gif

But this djent term isn't giving this and I'm not sure how this word can be used in musical communication (when used alone). Like, if one says he likes playing djent and wants to jam with me I'll pretty much have no idea what to expect from him smile.gif seems this term is currently either too full or too empty atleast today.

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post Jan 20 2014, 03:28 AM
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What is Djent? ... Chugga chugga chugga!!!

Best to start slowly.

Here's the full tab:
E String) 0 0 0 1 00 0 0 (repeat, plus add totally awesomeness)

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