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post Feb 3 2014, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 2 2014, 08:36 PM) *
I can't get behind a 'fair' or 'flat' tax because the States as well as the Cities (whom we also pay tax to) would never have any of it. You can't have just 'federal' tax in republic of separate states. No matter what tax system we implement it will always be as complex as the one we have now. Which compared to a lot of countries is actually fairy straight forward. Again - I know this because both my brother in law and father in law are accountants in Europe.

you show that you have not looked into it at all , when you lump the fair tax and flat tax together with quote marks you don't do it justice
it is not called that as some nick name, that is just the name business men cane up with after spending 20 million of their own money to develop this . I wish you would at least glance at it to make an informed decision http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/FairTaxFAQ.pdf

There is an answer to your individual state tax question

and if you don't mind , just how is 2 steps from socialism different ?

3 tiered flat tax is what we have now, there has just been so many changes, amendments / loopholes since then , its this complicated
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post Feb 3 2014, 06:12 PM
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I know they're not the same (Fairtax/flattax) but I don't think either is feasible w/o changing the fundamental socio-economic and governmental structure of this country. That may be what has to happen for any real change(?).

Two steps to the right (as in politically right) of socialism for me is ...
*I don't think I need to elaborate but I'm not talking about current North Korean socialism or Soviet era socialism (those are/were dictatorial communism).
Universal health care (single payer), free day care starting at age 2 and a half and free pre-school, high quality and free public education K - 12, reasonably priced Jr. College (IMO the single biggest negative for this country is our current education standard or lack of), a higher min wage that adjusts for inflation, county, city, state and national museums should have free entry, national and state parks also free entry, higher percentage of public funds for public transportation, better care/rehab for returning veterans, more mental health care (when appropriate) as opposed to blanket incarceration for law breakers, drug addiction treated as an illness not a crime, marriage equality, way more oversight of financial institutions, pro union (in general), completely legal marijuana (I don't even smoke weed anymore), public works programs like the CCC during the 'new deal' era ... stuff like that. Things that I believe make society better in general for everybody.
In the 70's they'd a just called me a liberal democrat.


And as I said, I would actually be willing to pay some more tax if these things were addressed by fed/state/city govt.

315 million people within 3.794 million sq miles (9.827 million km²) is a very unwieldily amount of both land and people. Change is slow and expensive. I know that within the rest of my lifetime I probably won't see too much of what I'd like to change - so be it. Maybe for my kid - ?

And the Superbowl kinda sucked. Blowouts are no fun.

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post Feb 3 2014, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 3 2014, 06:12 PM) *
I know they're not the same (Fairtax/flattax) but I don't think either is feasible w/o changing the fundamental socio-economic and governmental structure of this country. That may be what has to happen for any real change(?).

Two steps to the right (as in politically right) of socialism for me is ...
*I don't think I need to elaborate but I'm not talking about current North Korean socialism or Soviet era socialism (those are/were dictatorial communism).
Universal health care (single payer), free day care starting at age 2 and a half and free pre-school, high quality and free public education K - 12, reasonably priced Jr. College (IMO the single biggest negative for this country is our current education standard or lack of), a higher min wage that adjusts for inflation, county, city, state and national museums should have free entry, national and state parks also free entry, higher percentage of public funds for public transportation, better care/rehab for returning veterans, more mental health care (when appropriate) as opposed to blanket incarceration for law breakers, drug addiction treated as an illness not a crime, marriage equality, way more oversight of financial institutions, pro union (in general), completely legal marijuana (I don't even smoke weed anymore), public works programs like the CCC during the 'new deal' era ... stuff like that. Things that I believe make society better in general for everybody.
In the 70's they'd a just called me a liberal democrat.


And as I said, I would actually be willing to pay some more tax if these things were addressed by fed/state/city govt.

315 million people within 3.794 million sq miles (9.827 million km²) is a very unwieldily amount of both land and people. Change is slow and expensive. I know that within the rest of my lifetime I probably won't see too much of what I'd like to change - so be it. Maybe for my kid - ?

And the Superbowl kinda sucked. Blowouts are no fun.

i agree with you

























blow outs aren't any fun

did you forget everyone's unicorn
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post Feb 4 2014, 05:10 AM
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I don't believe in unicorns. Now Bigfoot and aliens wink.gif
*We had a fair amount of my little wish list under Einsenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon/Ford. Like I said, probably not in my lifetime.
























And speaking of unicorns ... change the tax system in the USofA.

We're both dreamers.

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