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Azzaboi
post Feb 6 2014, 07:27 PM
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I was wondering if anyone else has their amp/effects rig setup on a rather dirty or overused power supply creating some hum/hiss and if a Line Conditioner would make a huge difference to it?

I'm currently just using a multi-plug extension cord, with a simple circuit tripper, for both my PC, monitor, surround sound speakers, and my guitar amp, pod effects... oh and also my iRobot Roomba (which goes around vacuuming before my mum can yell at me to do chores). Anyways, probably not the ideal power setup.

My Line 6 - DT50 212 Amp is a beast which weighs a ton, has 4 different emulated amps built-in, and runs as digital, fully tube, or 50/50. I've noticed over 2 years, the idle noise has increase. This could be due to some firmware updates, setup tweaks/changes, the amount of dust getting behind my amp (Roomba doesn't get), one or more tubes are dirty or dying, etc. During that time however, my power point was never that good (one of the worst in the house) and has increased the number of devices on it by double. So also checking into that as a possible cause.

I heard the Tripp Lite's LC1200 Line Conditioner was highly recommended for guitarist using tube amps to not only protect from brownouts, surges, and spikes from the power supply which could shorten it's lifespan, but also line noise which might be causing some hum/hissing?

Long story short: Does anyone use a Line Conditioner, UPS, or similar device to protect their Amp as well as prevent noise. Any reviews, recommendations or is it not worth it, etc?

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post Feb 9 2014, 07:47 PM
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Sure smile.gif Dirty power can cause all sorts of noise issues. Some rack mount powere strips that claim to be "line conditioners" are really just power strips with rack ears. Iv'e got a couple of the starter level FURMAN units which are solid units, but open them up and it's just a power strip really.

If you want actual line conditioning and filtering you have to usually get the pricier models that have more features and dedicated bits for filtering.

However, I've had several grumpy engineers tell me that the entire concept of conditioning/filtering was pure garbage and it boiled down to doing your own electrical work on your studio or giving up on beating noise.

I personally have found value in decent power units. I Have a large rack mount UPS unit that has enough battery power to keep my rig from going black during brown out/ outtage etc. Then I use a series of rack units for filtering etc. (Furman, Monster, etc. all make fine units)

I'm suprised nobody has commented on this yet but it may be for fear of starting a bit of a heated back and forth on the merits of conditioning/filtering power. I"ve seen the topic get heated in various forums but not here thank goodness smile.gif

You might look at this one for a couple hundred bux.


Tripp Lite 2400W Rack Mount Line Conditioner - Surge, EMI / RFI, Over Voltage, Brownout protection - NEMA 5-15R - 110 V AC..
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QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Feb 6 2014, 01:27 PM) *
I was wondering if anyone else has their amp/effects rig setup on a rather dirty or overused power supply creating some hum/hiss and if a Line Conditioner would make a huge difference to it?

I'm currently just using a multi-plug extension cord, with a simple circuit tripper, for both my PC, monitor, surround sound speakers, and my guitar amp, pod effects... oh and also my iRobot Roomba (which goes around vacuuming before my mum can yell at me to do chores). Anyways, probably not the ideal power setup.

My Line 6 - DT50 212 Amp is a beast which weighs a ton, has 4 different emulated amps built-in, and runs as digital, fully tube, or 50/50. I've noticed over 2 years, the idle noise has increase. This could be due to some firmware updates, setup tweaks/changes, the amount of dust getting behind my amp (Roomba doesn't get), one or more tubes are dirty or dying, etc. During that time however, my power point was never that good (one of the worst in the house) and has increased the number of devices on it by double. So also checking into that as a possible cause.

I heard the Tripp Lite's LC1200 Line Conditioner was highly recommended for guitarist using tube amps to not only protect from brownouts, surges, and spikes from the power supply which could shorten it's lifespan, but also line noise which might be causing some hum/hissing?

Long story short: Does anyone use a Line Conditioner, UPS, or similar device to protect their Amp as well as prevent noise. Any reviews, recommendations or is it not worth it, etc?


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post Feb 11 2014, 02:13 AM
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Need to find where I can get a 'Tripp Lite' in NZ?

Also I've heard the high wattage ones make an annoying hum noise, which would sort of defend it's purpose?

A multi-plug extension cord with line noise filter wouldn't cut it?
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post Feb 11 2014, 02:26 AM
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It all depends on the type of noise. I use a Furman AC 1215 in my little back house where I practice. It'll cut the interference from the neighbors juicer/blender but not do a thing for noise that's actually being picked up by your guitar pkups, cables and fx boxes ... which can be substantial. Elwc guits are the absolute worst offenders when it comes to adding 'noise'.

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post Feb 11 2014, 02:54 AM
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That's where the Interwebs com in right? smile.gif As long as they deliver to NZ what does it matter if local vendors carry them? You can save a wad of cash and get the Mini Block instead of the big one. I've got one of these and it works well smile.gif KLAISSAINE is 100 percent correct in his statement that it won't help ANY noise issues stemming from the guitar itself. Just reduce interference from outside sources.

These are about $30 U.S.

Tripp Lite ULTRABLOK Isobar Surge Protector/Suppressor 2 outlets, Direct Plug In, 1410 Joules


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QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Feb 10 2014, 08:13 PM) *
Need to find where I can get a 'Tripp Lite' in NZ?

Also I've heard the high wattage ones make an annoying hum noise, which would sort of defend it's purpose?

A multi-plug extension cord with line noise filter wouldn't cut it?



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post Feb 11 2014, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 10 2014, 05:54 PM) *
Mini Block
These are about $30 U.S.

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Awesome Todd!
Thanks for finding that. I just ordered one of the minis. Less than $30 delivered. I can always find a place for a filtered outlet. That would even be a good thing to toss in a gig bag.

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post Feb 11 2014, 04:39 AM
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The plug/voltage might be different from oversea.

The noise isn't from the guitar at all, rather the amp just plugged into a multi-plug extension cord with Pod HD500, computer, monitor and surround speakers, subwoofer, etc - on the same power point. I'm mostly considered with my subwoofer or pc interfering with the amp. It's a old plug and power cable running around the side of the room, so thought I might look into better options to replace it. Protection + Noise Filter... I guess. Probably won't worry about UPS?

Thanks for the replies.
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post Feb 11 2014, 04:56 PM
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Both Tripp-lite and Furman make 240v (Euro) surge protector/filtering products. I don't know how easy it os to 'get' them in NZ though.


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post Feb 11 2014, 06:13 PM
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I should, I work for a UPS company! laugh.gif


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Happy to help smile.gif I found this unit while researching my next UPS purchase and I grabbed one too! IT's a great little unit and built like a tank!!!

Good idea about throwing it in a gig bag, you never know what club power is going to be like. Well, usually you can bet it could use some filtering smile.gif

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 10 2014, 10:35 PM) *
Awesome Todd!
Thanks for finding that. I just ordered one of the minis. Less than $30 delivered. I can always find a place for a filtered outlet. That would even be a good thing to toss in a gig bag.


UPS is mostly about keeping your computer from suffering during a black/brown out. If you don't have any issues with power stopping or slowing, you can skip the ups. smile.gif



QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Feb 10 2014, 10:39 PM) *
The plug/voltage might be different from oversea.

The noise isn't from the guitar at all, rather the amp just plugged into a multi-plug extension cord with Pod HD500, computer, monitor and surround speakers, subwoofer, etc - on the same power point. I'm mostly considered with my subwoofer or pc interfering with the amp. It's a old plug and power cable running around the side of the room, so thought I might look into better options to replace it. Protection + Noise Filter... I guess. Probably won't worry about UPS?

Thanks for the replies.


That's where the interwebs come in! smile.gif

QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 11 2014, 10:56 AM) *
Both Tripp-lite and Furman make 240v (Euro) surge protector/filtering products. I don't know how easy it os to 'get' them in NZ though.


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