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Most Hated Metal genres
Name whatever metal genre that you hate the most
Classic Stuff [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Thrash [ 3 ] ** [4.29%]
Death [ 20 ] ** [28.57%]
Melodic Death [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Technical Death [ 1 ] ** [1.43%]
Speed [ 2 ] ** [2.86%]
Power [ 3 ] ** [4.29%]
Grind [ 1 ] ** [1.43%]
Pirate [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Drone [ 3 ] ** [4.29%]
Gothic [ 5 ] ** [7.14%]
Symphonic (And all the combos, Symphonic Death, Symphonic Goth ect.) [ 2 ] ** [2.86%]
Black [ 9 ] ** [12.86%]
Viking [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Progressive (And all the combos, Prog Death, Prog Power ect.) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Hair [ 8 ] ** [11.43%]
Folk [ 3 ] ** [4.29%]
Female Fronted Bands In General [ 4 ] ** [5.71%]
A Combination Of The Above Genres Not Mentioned (Please Say Which) [ 1 ] ** [1.43%]
Other [ 5 ] ** [7.14%]
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 12:29 AM) *
Slayer are pretentious, they sing about something they dont believe in then state that they dont believe in what they are saying, there is no point in that. It's like me writing a whole album about how Jesus Died for Our Sins whilst knowing all the time that this is not what I believed, its misguiding, its unintelligent and its evident that Slayer only do it to be the overaged scene kiddies that they are.

Iron Maiden, now they're just old geriatrics who ran out of ideas after their first albums, they never really had anything to say and like to be hypocrites, for example, to quote Brucie in the same article twice:

"Iron Maiden like to buck the trend, we're totally different from everyone else"

"I was looking for my tight leather 'Rockstar' pants."

Cmon' these guys are not for real, the whole 'Eddie' thing is just hilariously daft as well, "lets have a monster on our covers! lol!"

Does it mean anything? No, its just twaddle.

Then we have the Power Metal bands, lets not forget them, recycling Tolkeins Novels like it was going out of fashion, sure, they tell a story, that someone else wrote nearly 100 years ago and that everyone else has recycled since then, you cant sing about Dragons with conviction, stories should be taught with a purpose, a moral or an expression of something, Tolkeins novel was that, there are very close links to it and the war, it re-tells something that happened in real life. Power Metal bands do not do this, they sing about crap because they have nothing else to say, or because they find it "fun", that's not exciting, thats not expression, thats boring.

As for most Death metal bands, yeah its mostly rubbish, "rararararTexasChainsawMassacrerararar" but at least there are some Death styled bands who actually have lyrical subject to admire, bands like Opeth are a good example, Death is something we all experience in our lives, we all know we are destined to it and we see other people experience it, whether you find people singing about it distasteful is another matter, but it is a very real subject, its not pretentious or diluted if you find any of it that is pure.

Therefore what I am saying is that the Majority of Metal is rubbish, there are a select few bands from within it, that actually have something to say or for us to admire, the rest is all wrapped up in its own vanity, its about expression of beliefs, not copious amounts of leather, dragons and preachings of non events.

All I have to say is that this is amazing. You hate every song that have anything supersticious or whatever in it? Ok great. But saying that bands like Iron Maiden and Slayer sucks is going too far. You simply just cant say that EVERY song that isnt about real life in the whole freakin world sucks. One thing is to say that you dont like something, but saying that something is bad or sucks becuase you dont like the type of lyrics is just... wrong. I HATE power metal, I HATE most metal genres, but they dont suck. If you look at how many fans the different bands and genres have, it cant suck. If a band got skilled musicians, unique music, good melodies, but you dont like the genre, does it suck becuase of that? No, it just dont.
Black Sabbath also sucks ey? As far as I know there cant possibly be a Iron Man! Hmm, they were like one of the bands that started metal and have inspired so many other metal bands. Iron Maiden aswell.

If you just said that you hated these kinds of bands and lyrics I would have just shut up, but when you say that black metal sucks, eventhough there are so many freakin genious bands in the genre is just wrong.
I hate dimmu borgir, it doesnt mean it sucks. It is(was) unique and they got alot of variations, they got fans all over the world. How can they suck? I cant stand the redicilous riffing and vocals by In Flames, but still, they got many, many fans. Not everyone think In Flames is redicilous. I do, but it doesnt suck just becuase I think so.
I dont know how many times I've heard pop fans say that Jazz, blues, old classical stuff sucks. So I guess it does suck becuase they say it? Alright.

I respect other peoples opinions, but when someone says something sucks, when I, and millions of other people on this planet knows it doesnt, its just wrong.


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post Jul 23 2007, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 12:47 AM) *
Ugh... your not listening. Read what I'm saying properly please.
I believe this answers this point :
Stories have morals and principles - thats exactly what the bible is - Noah may not have been real, but his story tells people not to get overly greedy, that is the underlying message, thats why stories are good, because they say something.

As for Black Metal, how can something be classified as it if they're not singing about the lyrical subject as dictated by genre, that makes no sense, what do Black Metal bands sing about if not Satan? And if they do sing about other things are they strictly Black Metal bands.

Hmm actually its not that many black lyrics that is about satanism, sort of depends on the band. Darkthrone for instance, sings about old sword fights, woods, mountanis, simply just some stories that they have made up by themselfs, wich I find really amazing and magic, and ALOT more, including some satanic and anti christian. Burzum almost only got magic and beautiful things. Stories that they have made themselfs or old myths and stuff like this. I just dont see how that many genres with that many fans can suck becuase that their lyrics isnt real. Actually I think many people really like fantasy stuff in music lyrics. I'm not necessarily talking about faries and dragons, I cant even remember that being mentioned in black metal. Immortal for instance sings about cold and winter. I can agree that Immortal's subjects and lyrics are getting old and cliché, but its still in my opinion one of the best black metal bands. Great riffs, really unique style, I love the vocals. I suppose Mayhem and Gorgoroth is often about just horror stuff, specially old Mayhem. But that fits the style freakin well, you cant sting about flowers and happiness in black metal, that would have been redicilous.
But Owen, and everyone else that thinks the same, do you ONLY care about the meaning of the lyrics? Dont you care about the riffs, the sound, the vocals and all this? I must say I find it quite amazing that you hate all lyrics that arent real, I thought most people liked these kinds of things. Maybe there is, they probably just havent stepped forward. I think we get enough of real life crap on the news. In my opinion music is all about the feeling and emotion, and I think exciting and mystical stories in the style of burzum and darkthrone is just amazing. If every band in the world wrote about stuff that was real there wouldnt have been any variation at all. I respect that you dont like these kind of lyrics, but it DOES NOT SUCK!


Just adding: Owen, I dont dislike you or anything, we have had some great chats. But in this case I just had to be a bitch, sorry.


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post Jul 23 2007, 02:21 AM
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I never said anything about musicianship of the genre's, this conversation has been about lyrical interpretation entirely. The lyrical direction in most circumstances is misguided and false. I dont care about how many people like them, people have opinions and I feel free to disagree with them, just because something has a majority, it does not mean it is correct.

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You simply just cant say that EVERY song that isnt about real life in the whole freakin world sucks.


I never said that, I stated that a story or a set of lyrics, without a metaphorical reference or a statement of something like moral or an opinion, is a set of lyircs not worth reading. I think I've made that quite clear in my multiple references to the qualities of tolkein and the bible.

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 01:21 AM) *
I never said anything about musicianship of the genre's, this conversation has been about lyrical interpretation entirely. The lyrical direction in most circumstances is misguided and false. I dont care about how many people like them, people have opinions and I feel free to disagree with them, just because something has a majority, it does not mean it is correct.
I never said that, I stated that a story or a set of lyrics, without a metaphorical reference or a statement of something like moral or an opinion, is a set of lyircs not worth reading. I think I've made that quite clear in my multiple references to the qualities of tolkein and the bible.

No offence, but as I understood this you said that black metal lyrics(and also other great bands) actually sucked. I can respect any opinions, but it didnt even sound like it was your opinion, it just sounded like you actually meant that the whole genre sucked. Sure, maybe you hate black metal, but that one person hates it does not make it suck. I also cant see how stories HAVE to have some kind of guiding. Cant it just be a bit fun to read an amazing story to amazing music? Eventhough you might not learn anything from it?
I personally dont care if a band have crappy lyrics(Immortal.. biggrin.gif ), but good lyrics are of course best, but not necessary to make a good band.

Very well then, I suppose we just strongly disagree about this subject.
I'd like to see if anyone else had any opinion about any of this.


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post Jul 23 2007, 02:34 AM
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If it were just for fun, then the vocalist of a band is indeed not a vocalist, he is an entertainer, he makes a good noise, but has no expression.

Without lyrical meaning, a vocalist is an entertainer or just simply an instrument, thats essentially what it boils down to.

The best stories make you think, and what is music but a form to make people think, consider and enjoy things.

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 01:34 AM) *
If it were just for fun, then the vocalist of a band is indeed not a vocalist, he is an entertainer, he makes a good noise, but has no expression.

Without lyrical meaning, a vocalist is an entertainer, thats essentially what it boils down to.

The best stories make you think, and what is music but a form to make people think, consider and enjoy things.

A norwegian artist I listen to, have some songs that are sort of like poems. They are freakin beautiful and his voice and his music has so much emotion in it that I literally almost want to cry when I hear his songs while reading his lyrics. They make me picture places and they make me really enjoy the music. Its the same thing about Burzum and Darkthrone(and many others).
Aslaug Vaa aswell, norwegian folk writer. Beautiful poems and stories. I know it doesnt excist magic, but for me, music is magic.
Fenriz of Darkthrone is also a genious of a song writer. Also when it comes to riffs and drumming. Varg aswell, even though he is a bit crazy.

Its FINE if YOU think that it doesnt have any emotion, but it just sounds like you mean that lyrics without any special meaning have no emotion at all, that is wrong, becuase for many others it is very special and emotional.


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post Jul 23 2007, 02:59 AM
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A vocal line can have emotion, but that is not the lyrics, even so, generally folk songs and stories have a meaning, a purpose or entertainment value.

I just hate in general how Metal gets tied down to its collective genre's, people think - "Oh, we're going to be black" or "Oh, we're gonna be thrash", people should just go out there, and make the music that they believe in, not get tied down to this structuralised idea of what they're doing should be.

Without meaning there can be no emotion.

If I say I hated something for example, but I didnt really hate it, its something thats said without conviction - ie no emotion.

Emotion is the result of feeling something ie sadness, and knowing that the feeling is true.

If something is not true, its false.

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One of my dreams is that one day the people of earth will realize that just because they dont like something, doesnt mean it sucks. Music is whatever you make it, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE BEST OR WORST EVER, ITS COMPLETLY OPPINIONATED. So maybe one day, in a galaxy far, far away, someone will actually say, "Oh you dont like them? thats cool man, i like 'em though. There my favorite band, i think there the best" and the other person will actually just say "Thats cool." without sayin' "there just old people who ran out of ideas". Consider other peopels oppinions and try to respect them...PLEASE

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post Jul 23 2007, 03:05 AM
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I can read what your saying, but the sized up lettering I feel is unecessary and a bit rude, if you want to get your point across do it like everyone else.

I realise musical taste is opinion, but that has not been the point of this discussion and I feel it patronising that you should so blatantly bypass that.

I have respected everyone's opinions here, but respecting what other people say, does not mean I should not expose what I think.

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post Jul 23 2007, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 01:59 AM) *
A vocal line can have emotion, but that is not the lyrics, even so, generally folk songs and stories have a meaning, a purpose or entertainment value.

I just hate in general how Metal gets tied down to its collective genre's, people think - "Oh, we're going to be black" or "Oh, we're gonna be thrash", people should just go out there, and make the music that they believe in, not get tied down to this structuralised idea of what they're doing should be.

Without meaning there can be no emotion.

If I say I hated something for example, but I didnt really hate it, its something thats said without conviction - ie no emotion.

Emotion is the result of performing an action ie sadness, and meaning it.

If something is not true, its false.

I agree that its a bit silly with people that are like "omg we're gonna be so totally black, lets write about satan, thats cool right?". But if someone makes lyrics to a black metal band they often just end up fitting to the genre, dark and evil, not all the time though. But there are so much more than just evil and death in black metal lyrics. And thrash, thats just thrash, it got to have violent lyrics, its hard music. It wouldnt fit to sing about love or anything to thrash. Thrash is just awesome in my opinion.

"Without meaning there can be no emotion." As I said, for some it can, for some it cant. Simple as that. And there actually are alot of black metal bands that have really great lyrics, not only about death and destruction.

Hmm I dont see how folk songs have any special meaning or guidance. I just like reading the stories. Some are magic, some are just stories that makes me picture old beatuiful nature or an old farm. Typical norwegian folk stuff. Aslaug Vaa as I mentioned sings alot about a place called Nivelkinn. It is a actually place, but she writes about it more like a magical and wonderful fictional place. Stuff like this really speaks to me, I like to sort of dream while reading lyrics. Odd nordstoga, Aslaug Vaa, Burzum and Darkthrone I suppose write the best lyrics in my opinion. They are simply amazing, magical, stunning, they make me feel good, they make me laugh and cry, they inspires me to make music of my own. Simply just beautiful stories, it is emotional for many people even though it havent happened in real life or if they dont have any special meaning.

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post Jul 23 2007, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE (JCJXXL @ Jul 22 2007, 07:10 PM) *
Hmm... obviously not intelligent enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

The problem I have with Black Metal is not even how crappy it sounds... it's about tthe message. What they sing about.

How can singing about negative acts or imagery benefit anyone?
And the comment about them singing about some crazy stuff but they don't really believe it is absurd I think.
In order to sing about something don't you have to believe in it? I mean how many of us would sing or play a tune we weren't into or made us feel uncomfortable? Obviously they are very comfortable with the message their music sends out. So that tells me what type of people they really are.

Let me give you an example to help you understand better, lets say there is a band that sings about pedophile type behavior but none of them have ever acted on it.. they were just regular nice guys. How many of you would be comfortable with that?

This post was not to continue the religous beliefs/disbeliefs discussion but more of my opinion as to why I can't stand black metal.


Dude, I dont know if you havnt listened to much metal but many genres have at least a moderate amount of lyrics about war, death, ect... You cant really listen to metal without hearing these topics sung about.I'm not saying that I know every metal band that there is and what they sing about, but I'm just saying, from what I've seen, there arent many metal bands that dont sing about topics like this.

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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 22 2007, 10:05 PM) *
I can read what your saying, but the sized up lettering I feel is unecessary and a bit rude, if you want to get your point across do it like everyone else.

I realise musical taste is opinion, but that has not been the point of this discussion and I feel it patronising that you should so blatantly bypass that.

I have respected everyone's opinions here, but respecting what other people say, does not mean I should not expose what I think.


My point is ive seen quite a few posts where people just blatantly say bands suck, and tell people how that bands is, that they have no emotion or whatnot. My point was, i wish people (and 99% on GMC Know this) that someones music is oppinnion, and i think they should respect whatever they believe instead of telling them how that bands is, and what they do.

Maybe i did go off topic, my point still stands, and i belive it still applys.

I apologize for the bold lettering, i didnt really find it rude at all, *EDIT* Fixed it.

QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 22 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Slayer are pretentious, they sing about something they dont believe in then state that they dont believe in what they are saying, there is no point in that. It's like me writing a whole album about how Jesus Died for Our Sins whilst knowing all the time that this is not what I believed, its misguiding, its unintelligent and its evident that Slayer only do it to be the overaged scene kiddies that they are.

Iron Maiden, now they're just old geriatrics who ran out of ideas after their first albums, they never really had anything to say and like to be hypocrites, for example, to quote Brucie in the same article twice:

"Iron Maiden like to buck the trend, we're totally different from everyone else"

"I was looking for my tight leather 'Rockstar' pants."

Cmon' these guys are not for real, the whole 'Eddie' thing is just hilariously daft as well, "lets have a monster on our covers! lol!"

Does it mean anything? No, its just twaddle.

Then we have the Power Metal bands, lets not forget them, recycling Tolkeins Novels like it was going out of fashion, sure, they tell a story, that someone else wrote nearly 100 years ago and that everyone else has recycled since then, you cant sing about Dragons with conviction, stories should be taught with a purpose, a moral or an expression of something, Tolkeins novel was that, there are very close links to it and the war, it re-tells something that happened in real life. Power Metal bands do not do this, they sing about crap because they have nothing else to say, or because they find it "fun", that's not exciting, thats not expression, thats boring.


This is what im talking about Owen, please dont act like that because you belive something it makes it true.
I know you think you must know anything and everything about music, but consider this. You say Power Metal recycles Toliens novels. 95% of Power Metal bands dont even touch the subject.

And by the way, Bruce saying were differet from everyone else, then saying he wants to find his leather rockstar pants, How is that hypocrisy, first off, There music is different from everyone else, he never said "We where clothes people dont ever wear"

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My point is ive seen quite a few posts where people just blatantly say bands suck, and tell people how that bands is, that they have no emotion or whatnot. My point was, i wish people (and 99% on GMC Know this) that someones music is oppinnion, and i think they should respect whatever they believe instead of telling them how that bands is, and what they do.


As all my posts referred to bands lyrical perspectives and nothing anywhere at all about their music. To prove that point - I actually listen to Slayer, Why? Because I like the music.

I was arguing a point so I used specific examples - those which Robin threw at me, I had to give my reasonings for my broad opinion and to do this I had to use specific points, I have never once said any band "sucks" and you can quote me on that, I checked my posts.

It show's Bruces conformity to what people think he should look like, he's hardly bucking the trend.

As for power metal, can you be specific, I can think of many a band that preach the Tolkeinesque - Dragonforce, Symphony X ect ect

Robin, as for folk songs, there is normally an extra layer, things arent ever transparent I find.

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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 22 2007, 10:27 PM) *
I have never once said any band "sucks"


First off, i never said you said it, i said people, and i was talking in other places of the forum as well.

You DO Say,

"Power Metal bands do not do this, they sing about crap because they have nothing else to say, or because they find it "fun", that's not exciting, thats not expression, thats boring."


Right there, your telling people who like this music that its crap, Whats your problem? honestly man, youre better than that. Once again, 95% Of Power Metal bands dont even touch the subject.
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QUOTE (Owen @ Jul 23 2007, 02:27 AM) *
As all my posts referred to bands lyrical perspectives and nothing anywhere at all about their music. To prove that point - I actually listen to Slayer, Why? Because I like the music.

I was arguing a point so I used specific examples - those which Robin threw at me, I had to give my reasonings for my broad opinion and to do this I had to use specific points, I have never once said any band "sucks" and you can quote me on that, I checked my posts.

Robin, as for folk songs, there is normally an extra layer, things arent ever transparent I find.

As I read your posts it seemed like you actually said what was good and what was bad. That really annoyed me. I can respect any opinion, but in this case it seemed like you meant that all black metal lyrics were satanic and with no meaning. I think you have to actually read and listen to a genre before you can actually say that its bad. And even if YOU think certain lyrics are bad, it doesnt mean they are bad. As I've mentioned a couple of times now, myths and magical stories in songs are amazing to me, and probably many others.


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Ok, that's probably enough for now, we have strayed far from the original topic, everyone has aired their opinion, and several posts have bordered on being uncivil.

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