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post Mar 20 2014, 11:22 AM
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Hi there,
This could be an interesting topic i guess.
I think there some " golden rules" for soloing. Of course rules can always be broken but some points are strongly recommended. So let's collect some to make the best solo of all time. :-D
Also some funny rules could be interesting!!!

So here's my 1st rule:

1. Don't stay to long on the 4th in Ionian mode and the 6th in Aeolian Mode! Could be aweful if you don't resolve it to the 3rd or 5th. :-P

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post Mar 20 2014, 11:38 AM
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Very interesting topic! smile.gif

I would add a general, more live performance related tip : if you hit a "wrong" note, don't make a big deal out of and facial expression like you ate something really bad. Instead, just ignore it and maybe hit it a few more times and it will start sounding "intentional" and listener's ear will adapt (in most cases). Most of the times you'll be the only person to notice it.


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post Mar 20 2014, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Mar 20 2014, 11:38 AM) *
Very interesting topic! smile.gif

I would add a general, more live performance related tip : if you hit a "wrong" note, don't make a big deal out of and facial expression like you ate something really bad. Instead, just ignore it and maybe hit it a few more times and it will start sounding "intentional" and listener's ear will adapt (in most cases). Most of the times you'll be the only person to notice it.

I totally agree with this!!!


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post Mar 20 2014, 12:28 PM
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IMO a big mistake is playing a solo without sense of rhythm. You must have a full control of timming of your notes.
The rhythm has the same importance as the choice of notes. You could play live a solo, make a mistake and play some notes in an entirely wrong key but if your rhythmic phrasing is good, it will still sound good (of course, how good can sound with wrong notes?).
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post Mar 20 2014, 02:43 PM
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Sometimes playing a solo is a very big mistake biggrin.gif
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post Mar 20 2014, 02:50 PM
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worst mistake?

- playing a solo when the song doesn't need it.


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post Mar 20 2014, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 20 2014, 02:50 PM) *
worst mistake?

- playing a solo when the song doesn't need it.

or letting the bass player do one, haha


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post Mar 20 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 20 2014, 10:59 AM) *
or letting the bass player do one, haha


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post Mar 20 2014, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Mar 20 2014, 04:28 AM) *
IMO a big mistake is playing a solo without sense of rhythm. You must have a full control of timming of your notes.
The rhythm has the same importance as the choice of notes. You could play live a solo, make a mistake and play some notes in an entirely wrong key but if your rhythmic phrasing is good, it will still sound good (of course, how good can sound with wrong notes?).


If 'I' had to pick worst thing to do in a solo I'd say that Monica has nailed it.
You can get away with a lot of melodically questionable material when your rhythm, timing and conviction is strong.

My own contribution to the topic would be that ending too soon and/or not on a strong note is a common problem that plagues a lot of inexperienced soloists. Basically not knowing the form that they're soloing over.

*And of course any and all bass solos are just totally wrong all the time wink.gif


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post Mar 21 2014, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 20 2014, 01:50 PM) *
worst mistake?

- playing a solo when the song doesn't need it.


Best one today biggrin.gif

And I would also add - playing a solo that crams up as many notes and techniques as possible just to showoff how skilled you are biggrin.gif


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post Mar 21 2014, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 20 2014, 10:22 AM) *
So here's my 1st rule:

1. Don't stay to long on the 4th in Ionian mode and the 6th in Aeolian Mode! Could be aweful if you don't resolve it to the 3rd or 5th. :-P


Amen ! I absolutely agree with you on this !


QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Mar 20 2014, 11:28 AM) *
IMO a big mistake is playing a solo without sense of rhythm. You must have a full control of timming of your notes.


Yes, definitely.

There's a flip side to this which deserves special mention as well.

Playing a solo which is too uniform in its timing. For example, every single note is perfectly laid out.. all 8th notes, 16th notes.. all neatly wrapped in a bundle. Learning when to stray from the beat is all part of phrasing and feel.


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post Mar 21 2014, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Mar 21 2014, 10:08 AM) *
Amen ! I absolutely agree with you on this !

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Playing a solo which is too uniform in its timing. For example, every single note is perfectly laid out.. all 8th notes, 16th notes.. all neatly wrapped in a bundle. Learning when to stray from the beat is all part of phrasing and feel.


Absolutely right!!!

@Cosain,
great one too!!! :-D

BTW good collection of worst mistakes!

I have another one:
thinking more is more!!!
There's only ONE guitar Player of this world who has the permission to think like that:-D

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post Mar 21 2014, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 20 2014, 01:59 PM) *
or letting the bass player do one, haha


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post Mar 21 2014, 12:41 PM
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From my personal experience I think too much, so maybe this would go for an advice:

Don't think...feel!


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post Mar 21 2014, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 21 2014, 04:41 AM) *
From my personal experience I think too much, so maybe this would go for an advice:

Don't think...feel!


Yes, thinking is for your 'practice' time.

I had a teacher that used to say, "practice the method, perform the result".


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post Mar 22 2014, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Mar 21 2014, 02:44 PM) *
Yes, thinking is for your 'practice' time.

I had a teacher that used to say, "practice the method, perform the result".


Another good saying from Ken smile.gif Thanks man, as you know, I am collecting these wink.gif And to come up with one myself: 'Don't play what's there, play what's not there!' As the great Miles Davis said smile.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Mar 22 2014, 07:10 AM) *
Another good saying from Ken smile.gif Thanks man, as you know, I am collecting these wink.gif And to come up with one myself: 'Don't play what's there, play what's not there!' As the great Miles Davis said smile.gif


Yeah, that's xlnt advice.

My fave Miles' quote ...
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*There's a really good John Frusciante interview in the latest GP mag where he talks a lot about playing what's not there or was never there there to begin with.

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 21 2014, 08:41 AM) *
From my personal experience I think too much, so maybe this would go for an advice:

Don't think...feel!



This is the most important advice that an artist can receive. It's the basic one, the rule number 1 for me. smile.gif


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How about soloing on a guitar that is badly out of tune? And then bending and stretching the notes to try to make them work. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 22 2014, 07:25 PM) *
How about soloing on a guitar that is badly out of tune? And then bending and stretching the notes to try to make them work. biggrin.gif

Well, badly out of tune is a mistake but to make it work that the audience doesn't notice is a challenge! :-D


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