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post Mar 22 2014, 08:40 PM
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I think charisma/confidence is the key. You can be a master guitar player but you're only going to sound as good as the music you're playing. Ace that and don't act nervous when you mess up and you can't go wrong.
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post Mar 22 2014, 09:30 PM
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Playing a solo instead of a melodic composition which reflects the mood of the song.
Worrying about anything.
PLAYING STERILE! YES "mistakes" are needed to make playing seem organic, play sloppily with melody and rhythm rather than be a pre programmed syntheziser!
Playing fast to impress. When you slow a lot of solos down and realize it's just major and minor arpeggios that a child practices for hours on the piano, it seems like a waste of notes to make most of your solos consist of that. (I'm looking at you Rusty Cool-aid and Andy James.)
Trying to fit it, trying to play what others want to hear, rather than letting yourself be yourself through the music!

I'm sure many people disagree with me but I don't mind, I've been known to be wrong on many things according to many people.


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post Mar 22 2014, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Mar 22 2014, 09:30 PM) *
Playing a solo instead of a melodic composition which reflects the mood of the song.
Worrying about anything.
PLAYING STERILE! YES "mistakes" are needed to make playing seem organic, play sloppily with melody and rhythm rather than be a pre programmed syntheziser!
Playing fast to impress. When you slow a lot of solos down and realize it's just major and minor arpeggios that a child practices for hours on the piano, it seems like a waste of notes to make most of your solos consist of that. (I'm looking at you Rusty Cool-aid and Andy James.)
Trying to fit it, trying to play what others want to hear, rather than letting yourself be yourself through the music!

I'm sure many people disagree with me but I don't mind, I've been known to be wrong on many things according to many people.


I totally agree with you! Well said! ;-)


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post Mar 23 2014, 06:54 AM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 22 2014, 11:10 AM) *
Well, badly out of tune is a mistake but to make it work that the audience doesn't notice is a challenge! :-D

A challenge indeed! smile.gif Sometimes it can be made to work , but other times it just ends up being a fruitless act of desperation. Especially if you break a string at the beginning of the solo on your trem equipped guitar. Yikes! biggrin.gif
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post Mar 23 2014, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 22 2014, 07:10 PM) *
Well, badly out of tune is a mistake but to make it work that the audience doesn't notice is a challenge! :-D


Oh yes, most definitely smile.gif I've been there a few times and it was EXTREMELY rewarding when I managed to pull it off. Maybe a bit out of topic, but in respect to guitars that fail you during a performance, here's the nicest way to save the day:



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post Mar 23 2014, 12:47 PM
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Haha, great solution! But what if you don't have a trem bar and the guitar is (de-)tuned to high?
But Thx god guitars have the tendency to go flat on stage because of the Heat. So bending all notes a bit higher could help. :-D

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post Mar 23 2014, 04:33 PM
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Joe Stump once told me always be comfortable on stage as the audience gets bored if you have no movement or mimic.

Thats why we only know Joe and Yngwie playing on half speed biggrin.gif seriously!


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post Mar 24 2014, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 23 2014, 11:47 AM) *
Haha, great solution! But what if you don't have a trem bar and the guitar is (de-)tuned to high?
But Thx god guitars have the tendency to go flat on stage because of the Heat. So bending all notes a bit higher could help. :-D


It would actually not be so badl, because the strings would not be de-tensioned when one of them breaks, in the situation of a fixed bridge biggrin.gif Another way to solo that caught my attention because it's creativity:



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post Mar 24 2014, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Mar 24 2014, 08:37 AM) *
It would actually not be so badl, because the strings would not be de-tensioned when one of them breaks, in the situation of a fixed bridge biggrin.gif Another way to solo that caught my attention because it's creativity:


Great solo! :-D


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post Mar 25 2014, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 24 2014, 04:47 PM) *
Great solo! :-D


Guido, please tell us one good story in which you managed to save the day onstage in a difficult situation biggrin.gif

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post Mar 25 2014, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Mar 25 2014, 08:16 AM) *
Guido, please tell us one good story in which you managed to save the day onstage in a difficult situation biggrin.gif

OK here's one:
Many years ago a keyboard player asked me if I wanna do some dinner music with a sax player. But he warned me that the sax player would have some weird timing problems. But I didn't care and the money was good, so I agreed.
So we three met the first time on stage and The sax player set up his Drum machine Boss Dr. Rhythm(one of the cheesiest thing you could think of) and then the catastrophe began. :-D

He was constantly moving the time, instead of starting a melody for example on 4+, he startet on 1 and all was moved a 1/8th behind, and then on the chorus he startet again on a wrong beat and etc. etc.. He did this in every song without obviously knowing WTF he was doing there. There wasn't also some logic behind this because he always changed something. So the keyboard payer and I everytime we had to react rhythmically on his strange behavior. :-D

We two stood behind him and we're constantly laughing during the whole show. So hard that I had heavy bellyache for hours. I almost pissed my pants, haha

Best thing: the dinner people didn't noticed anything :-D

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post Mar 25 2014, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (Guido Bungenstock @ Mar 25 2014, 11:11 AM) *
OK here's one:
Many years ago a keyboard player asked me if I wanna do some dinner music with a sax player. But he warned me that the sax player would have some weird timing problems. But I didn't care and the money was good, so I agreed.
So we three met the first time on stage and The sax player set up his Drum machine Boss Dr. Rhythm(one of the cheesiest thing you could think of) and then the catastrophe began. :-D

He was constantly moving the time, instead of starting a melody for example on 4+, he startet on 1 and all was moved a 1/8th behind, and then on the chorus he startet again on a wrong beat and etc. etc.. He did this in every song without obviously knowing WTF he was doing there. There wasn't also some logic behind this because he always changed something. So the keyboard payer and I everytime we had to react rhythmically on his strange behavior. :-D

We two stood behind him and we're constantly laughing during the whole show. So hard that I had heavy bellyache for hours. I almost pissed my pants, haha

Best thing: the dinner people didn't noticed anything :-D


I think it was Elton John who once spoke about a keyboard player he had with him, who tried to keep up with the chords, but was constantly an eighth note behind as he was figuring out the chords to the song. In the end Elton John just kept it the way the other keyboard player was playing it with the chords coming in 1/8th note "too late".

It's been a while since I saw the documentary where he described this, but I think it was Elton John.


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 25 2014, 12:32 PM) *
I think it was Elton John who once spoke about a keyboard player he had with him, who tried to keep up with the chords, but was constantly an eighth note behind as he was figuring out the chords to the song. In the end Elton John just kept it the way the other keyboard player was playing it with the chords coming in 1/8th note "too late".

It's been a while since I saw the documentary where he described this, but I think it was Elton John.

I'm absolutely sure it wasn't Elton John's keyboard player on that dinner party, haha


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post Mar 26 2014, 09:00 AM
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You got me laughing as well man biggrin.gif

I remember this one time when I was playing with the Pantera tribute band I am in and while performing 'I'm broken' our drummer, who's one of the greatest in my country, somehow lost it. I usually rely on his groove a lot and I was never ever used to hear him lose it and if I would've payed attention while playing I would've most likely hesitated a bit due to the sheer amazement - 'Hey the guy is like a Swiss watch! What's happening??!!' ... instead I was thinking about I don't know what. I went through with the riff and suddenly I was the only one playing laugh.gif as the bassplayer had a moment of hesitation himself. The drummer yelled: 'Alriiiiiight man!!' and he came in in full force so that the audience thought we made that moment up intentionally laugh.gif I was very happy to see how a mistake can be turned into something great! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Mar 26 2014, 09:00 AM) *
You got me laughing as well man biggrin.gif

I remember this one time when I was playing with the Pantera tribute band I am in and while performing 'I'm broken' our drummer, who's one of the greatest in my country, somehow lost it. I usually rely on his groove a lot and I was never ever used to hear him lose it and if I would've payed attention while playing I would've most likely hesitated a bit due to the sheer amazement - 'Hey the guy is like a Swiss watch! What's happening??!!' ... instead I was thinking about I don't know what. I went through with the riff and suddenly I was the only one playing laugh.gif as the bassplayer had a moment of hesitation himself. The drummer yelled: 'Alriiiiiight man!!' and he came in in full force so that the audience thought we made that moment up intentionally laugh.gif I was very happy to see how a mistake can be turned into something great! biggrin.gif

Good story as well, hahaha


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I heard Dave Navarro talking about his technique of covering up mistakes, for the first time in my life: if you make a mistake, do it at least two more times so that people will think you meant it... and SMILE biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Mar 27 2014, 10:35 AM) *
I heard Dave Navarro talking about his technique of covering up mistakes, for the first time in my life: if you make a mistake, do it at least two more times so that people will think you meant it... and SMILE biggrin.gif


Or if you are a bass player - just stop playing for a second, clear your mind and continue right in the following measure(s).
No one will notice laugh.gif

The above is not applicable (in scale of progression from most noticable to least noticeable) to the following instruments :

1. Drummers
2. Singers
3. Guitarists
4. Keyboard players


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Mar 27 2014, 10:41 AM) *
Or if you are a bass player - just stop playing for a second, clear your mind and continue right in the following measure(s).
No one will notice laugh.gif

The above is not applicable (in scale of progression from most noticable to least noticeable) to the following instruments :

1. Drummers
2. Singers
3. Guitarists
4. Keyboard players

Oh yes, stoping in between a solo(or in between a song) is definitely the worst case, haha

But i would like to continue your list:

1. Drummers
2. Singers
3. Guitarists
4. Keyboard player
5. Choir
6. Girl with big boobs at the merchandise(depending on the quality of the band could be No1 as well) biggrin.gif
6. Sound engineer
7. Light engineer
6. Guitar tech
7. Roadie
8. and now the bass player!!! tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Mar 27 2014, 02:41 AM) *
Or if you are a bass player - just stop playing for a second, clear your mind and continue right in the following measure(s).
No one will notice laugh.gif

The above is not applicable (in scale of progression from most noticable to least noticeable) to the following instruments :

1. Drummers
2. Singers
3. Guitarists
4. Keyboard players



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post Mar 28 2014, 06:21 PM
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The drummer is the motor of a band! No drummer, no band! Truth is that I used to be very, BUT very upset 7 8 years ago when I was playing with a friend drummer and I always felt he was rushing and he was somehow stuck and not progressing. We were and are best friends but we had to split the band we started as kids, because I wanted more and he couldn't deliver. It was a true heartache. We didn't speak to each other from 2009 till late 2010 and then we sat down and talked, just to realize what fools we were. Now we're best friends again smile.gif


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